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Was that Jordan Blyth also? Sorry, hard to read the Gazette story in the link, keeps crashing (wish these fuckers at work would buy me a proper computer so they could allow me to read urban when I'm sat at my desk. :mad: ).

Nah, it was someone from just down the road from him in Darlington who was applauded on FB for saying the angry protest achieve nothing and is not civilised to do so . Rapid Kipper by the way.
 
More from Luke Barratt at Inside Housing...

Grenfell cladding was not risk assessed despite LFB warning

The exterior of Grenfell Tower was not fire risk assessed, despite a warning from the London Fire Brigade (LFB) “strongly urging” councils to do so two months before the deadly blaze.

Inside Housing has obtained a letter from the LFB which warned London’s social landlords to check “insulation… and in-fill panels” on the exterior of buildings to “secure public safety and minimise fire losses” sent in May this year.

The letter continued: “I would strongly urge that you consider this issue as part of the risk assessment process for premises under your control.”

But in a statement given to Inside Housing, CS Stokes Associates – the firm which risk assessed Grenfell Tower – said: “It is very important to stress that these assessments focused on the common parts of the building to the requirements of the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005, rather than the building’s refurbishment or structural changes.”

At least 80 people are confirmed dead in the blaze, which tore across the outside of the 24-storey building in minutes. Tests by police later revealed both the cladding and the insulation, added in a refurbishment a year before, failed fire safety tests.

Cladding is not typically included in a fire risk assessment and the firm said the last risk assessment on Grenfell Tower was carried out in 2016, before the warning was issued.

CS Stokes and Associates, said it “is confident that its fire risk assessment work was carried out to the highest professional standards”, and also said it “liaised closely” with Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation (KCTMO) over the refurbishment works. It clarified, however, that director Carl Stokes’ formal risk assessments did not address the works.

A spokesperson from KCTMO said: “All fire risk assessments are conducted in accordance with statutory and regulatory requirements. This means that [they] focus on communal areas such as stairwells, lift lobbies, lift shafts, risers and walkways etc, as confirmed by those undertaking these assessments.”

CS Stokes and Associates was described by the KCTMO board as offering the “most competitive price” of any applicant for the fire risk assessments contract and praised for being “willing to challenge the fire brigade… if he considered their requirements excessive”.

LFB issued the warning to landlords in May in a letter titled Tall Buildings – External Fire Spread. It followed Inside Housing securing research which showed a huge tower block fire in Shepherd’s Bush had spread due to external window panels.

The fire brigade did not make the warning public or issue it to councils outside the capital.

Grenfell cladding was not risk assessed despite LFB warning

You might need to register (for free) to use the links. The article mentions the last Grenfell Tower FRA being in 2016 - that could be a typo, I think it was December 2015.
 
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People who legitimately raise questions about the Grenfell Tower death-rate are now having the "conspiracy theory" pejorative thrown at them, not just from the usual forces of conservatism and reaction, but from some who should know much better.

This isn't to recognise that emergency services, coroners etc. don't have their own diligent methods, but the implied comparison to people who think Diana is buried on the moon or whatever is as offensive as it is stupid.

It also overlooks that, by the same standards, the Hillsborough campaigners spent a quarter of a century as conspiracy theorists.
 
People who legitimately raise questions about the Grenfell Tower death-rate are now having the "conspiracy theory" pejorative thrown at them, not just from the usual forces of conservatism and reaction, but from some who should know much better.
I think "registered survivors" is different. Especially as it will relate to who is entitled to rehousing/compensation, etc.

If there are problems with this a fortnight after the fire then it does seem troubling.
 
This isn't to recognise that emergency services, coroners etc. don't have their own diligent methods, but the implied comparison to people who think Diana is buried on the moon or whatever is as offensive as it is stupid.

It also overlooks that, by the same standards, the Hillsborough campaigners spent a quarter of a century as conspiracy theorists.[/QUOTE] But this isnt about the death toll, its about the survivors, why arent the media even social media listing the numbers? there will be an official and unofficial number of survivors..its in the public intrest to know.
 
Possibly the wisest words by a politician thus far (not difficult):

Lord Adonis: don't wait for inquiry to implement change

Important decisions on fire safety should not be delayed until after the public inquiry, which “could take 10 years”, an influential Labour peer chair of the National Infrastructure Commission has said.

Lord Andrew Adonis made the remarks in his address to the Housing 2017 conference in Manchester earlier today.

“What tends to happen with these public inquiries,” he warned, “is everybody says that they should leave taking any serious action until the public inquiry’s been reported and that they can’t deal with all these difficult questions until after the inquiry.

“It’s very important that we don’t delay all action and all improvements and any bold attempt to address this serious problem of the shortage of social housing in central London, that we don’t park all of that until this inquiry has reported.”

Lord Adonis, who in his speech emphasised the importance of a joined-up approach between infrastructure and housing, also insisted that setting up an inquiry was not the same as taking real action.

“There had to be a public inquiry on this occasion because the loss of life was so great and the tragedy so appalling,” the life peer conceded. “But it’s very convenient for governments to set up public inquiries because they appear to be doing something.

“In fact – let’s be clear – all that they’re doing is appointing a public inquiry. Nothing else has changed.”

Retired judge Sir Martin Moore-Bick will lead the public inquiry. Lord Adonis said that he hoped Sir Martin has “a lot of resilience and staying power because he may well need it”.

Inside Housing’s Never Again campaign calls on government to update and clarify building regulations immediately – with a commitment to update if additional learning emerges at a later date from the Grenfell inquiry.

Adonis: don't wait for inquiry to implement change
 
Possibly the wisest words by a politician thus far (not difficult):

Lord Adonis: don't wait for inquiry to implement change

Important decisions on fire safety should not be delayed until after the public inquiry, which “could take 10 years”, an influential Labour peer chair of the National Infrastructure Commission has said.

Lord Andrew Adonis made the remarks in his address to the Housing 2017 conference in Manchester earlier today.

“What tends to happen with these public inquiries,” he warned, “is everybody says that they should leave taking any serious action until the public inquiry’s been reported and that they can’t deal with all these difficult questions until after the inquiry.

“It’s very important that we don’t delay all action and all improvements and any bold attempt to address this serious problem of the shortage of social housing in central London, that we don’t park all of that until this inquiry has reported.”

Lord Adonis, who in his speech emphasised the importance of a joined-up approach between infrastructure and housing, also insisted that setting up an inquiry was not the same as taking real action.

“There had to be a public inquiry on this occasion because the loss of life was so great and the tragedy so appalling,” the life peer conceded. “But it’s very convenient for governments to set up public inquiries because they appear to be doing something.

“In fact – let’s be clear – all that they’re doing is appointing a public inquiry. Nothing else has changed.”

Retired judge Sir Martin Moore-Bick will lead the public inquiry. Lord Adonis said that he hoped Sir Martin has “a lot of resilience and staying power because he may well need it”.

Inside Housing’s Never Again campaign calls on government to update and clarify building regulations immediately – with a commitment to update if additional learning emerges at a later date from the Grenfell inquiry.

Adonis: don't wait for inquiry to implement change
We shouldn't wait until after an enquiry. We should however wait until we have a clear idea from a technical point of view of what went wrong. Otherwise money will end up being spent on things that make people feel safer rather than things that actually make them safer.
 
Feilding Mellen has got to resign too. The whole bloody shower of a cabinet has to resign.
I understand Fielding-Mellen has also announced he is to resign.

Paget-Smith hasn't actually gone yet - he has announced he will resign when a replacement leader is appointed. According to the Times he is expected to remain as a councillor.

Similarly Robert Black the Chief Executive of KCTMO is also not resigning but "stepping aside" and again according to The Times
He will continue to remain a member of staff at the organisation he has led for eight year and will receive his chief executive salary.
 
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