butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This fool thinks the prophets existed rather then being literary types.
God and religion
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Gromit
International Man of Misery
If you are not trolling then you are genuinely exhibiting one of the signs of the deluded. When someone says something you disagree with just instantly assume that they have no real knowledge of theology.
Did I have basic RE in school? I'm afraid so. We had to say the Lord's prayer at assembly and all that crap too.
I use to attend Sunday school.
I've read the bible.
I used to kick everyone's arse at Bible club, where they asked bible questions and awarded sweets for correct answers. The hosts hated the fact that they pretty much gave 95% of the sweets to me because my hand was always up before everyone else's to the extent that they started to ignore me but then couldn't if no one else put their hand up, so it went down to about 80% of the sweets and then they gave up giving out sweets entirely.
Obviously none of it stuck as religion is all bullshit that created by the ruling classes to control populaces without having to explain themselves.
Hasn't stopped me continuing to take an interest in theology, christian, Jewish, Muslim whatever. Its interesting to me to see how people rationalize the irrational.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How does this continuing interest manifested itself?
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Are you suggesting that the prophet King David of the House of David was a made up person?
Gromit
International Man of Misery
i read Wikipedia every now and then.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh go on, say something sexist. Job done. Get it over with.
I'll wait.
I'll wait.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Why do you ask? Can't you just have faith? By requesting evidence you are just devaluing my preachings.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I don't know why you come here any more.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
If you insist..
Women shouldn't bishops.
Oh wait that isn't my opinion thats the opinion of Christians.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Pretty much because of the above. If it wasn't for wrong people like you i'd have wandered off bored ages ago.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why do i turn away?
Gromit
International Man of Misery
You are meant to turn the other cheek.
Funny how that particular christian preaching has been largely ignored by christian ruled countries. Unless turn the other cheek means bomb the fuck out of you.
My understanding of the bible is that it was inspired by God, not simply the direct word of God. Is that a fair analysis butchersapron?
pretty much:
though the willingness of people to believe in the supernatural certainly provided people in power and people seeking to gain power with useful tools in order to control the masses
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's one of the key things yes.
Btw, this gromit is now claiming on other threads that i'm "upset that I've mocked him and his belief in his imaginary friend (God)". That's the kind of person we're dealing with here.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Excellent.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if that's the case there's nothing to set the bible apart from all the other writings 'inspired by god'.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
My parents were both church goers and saw themselves as Christians. Their church did do good things in the local and wider community and they were keen supporters of that, I think they saw being a Christian predominantly as being a "good person". I have no idea if they believed in the existence of a god though. I should have asked them when I had the chance.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
so did they see people who weren't christians predominantly in terms of not being a good person?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So they were church attending christians yet you don't know if they believed in god.I don't think i need ask what 'church' this was.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
No I don't think so, they were quite generous and open minded where people in general were concerned.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
If you have been socialised into going to church there are many and various reasons to continue attending. They probably did believe, my dad would have been fine discussing it, my mother would have preferred not to. It was CofE btw.
I can understand people being open to the possibility in a very abstract sense
but subscribing to actual religious beliefs seems pretty daft. I mean a teenage girl engaged to a much older man gets knocked up at a time when women's rights were not that great - which story seems more likely 1) it was magic, God did it 2) she did what teenagers have done through history, then lied about it for rather obvious reasons... like not wanting to be stoned to death for cheating on her fiance
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
First define "god".
As a bear of modest brain, I struggle to go beyond red shift in cosmology and thereby can't eliminate some absentee "creator of the universe" 14 billion years ago.
I'm somewhat less convinced of the need for a kick start to abiogenesis on earth 4 billion years ago.
What I am confident of is that such an entity has nothing to do with the many gods of religion.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
My dad would recount the details of prominent scientists who were also church goers. I think it reinforced his own position somehow.
But does being open to possibilities include the idea that human science will be able to explain? If not immediately, then sometime.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
You and me both!
Indeed, and when you do die, what chance is there that you picked the right religion for the afterlife? imagine you were a Christian and it turns out the Muslims had it right!!
yes, though if we're taking about it as a very abstract concept then you could say define 'god' as the universe and the various physical laws that matter, energy seem to adhere to etc...
the level of theological debate on display in this thread is... impressive.
