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butchersapron said:
No. I'm saying that idea that christians have to follow the word of the bible (how could they given it's a collection of poems, prose, two apocalypti and a set of rules for a different group etc) is your own particular - but popular - misunderstanding of what the bible is and of how Christians relate to it. What you think you know about christians and the bible is wrong. Shockingly so.
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What you think you know about Christians and the bible is wrong too. Unless you know every single christian? Do you?

The bible like every single holy text is interpreted in many different ways by many different people and yes some do take it literally by word.
They literally believe that there was an actual Adam and Eve and a talking snake rather than it being a tale designed to impart certain concepts of that faith.
 
Gromit said:
What you think you know about Christians and the bible is wrong too. Unless you know every single christian? Do you?

The bible like every single holy text is interpreted in many different ways by many different people and yes some do take it literally by word.
They literally believe that there was an actual Adam and Eve and a talking snake rather than it being a tale designed to impart certain concepts of that faith.
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You don't know what holy text means. You don't know what ascribed means. You don't know what the word of god means. You don't know what narrative means. You don't know what scripture means. You don't know what on earth claims the various christianites make as to what the bible is and their relationship to it.
 
butchersapron said:
You don't know what holy text means. You don't know what ascribed means. You don't know what the word of god means. You don't know what narrative means. You don't know what scripture means. You don't know what on earth claims the various christianites make as to what the bible is and their relationship to it.
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You don't know what floxinoxinihilipilification means.
 
As far as I know even the biblical literalists accept that there are allusions and metaphors in the bible. It's one of the things that leaves the space for debates over interpretation and splits even in the smallest sects. And even that most hardcore are a tiny proportion of sola scriptura Protestants.
 
JimW said:
As far as I know even the biblical literalists accept that there are allusions and metaphors in the bible. It's one of the things that leaves the space for debates over interpretation and splits even in the smallest sects. And even that most hardcore are a tiny proportion of sola scriptura Protestants.
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It's not even that - if only it were. You're talking about interpretation of the bible. I'm talking about what the bible actually is. Clowns like gromit and BW bimble along thinking that christians think that it's the word of god. Did they even read the thing - it says that it fucking isn't in it and lists the things leading up to the bit where one book is supposed to have been written down under divine inspiration and then life after.
 
butchersapron said:
It's not even that - if only it were. You're talking about interpretation of the bible. I'm talking about what the bible actually is. Clowns like gromit and BW bimble along thinking that christians think that it's the word of god. Did they even read the thing - it says that it fucking isn't in it and lists the things leading up to the bit where one book is supposed to have been written down under divine inspiration and then life after.
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As in its actual social function? That's clearly something else again.
 
butchersapron said:
As it what is it as a text, a historical production, it's functions at various times - what it is. They just go go huh huh the bible says don't do this.
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Yes, it's a way of treating it as something special outside history in the way they accuse Christians of doing.
 
JimW said:
Yes, it's a way of treating it as something special outside history in the way they accuse Christians of doing.
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But oddly enough, the christans don't. They don't say that it's the word of god - these people think because the koran makes that sort of claim then that all religious texts do. It's so lazy.
 
butchersapron said:
It's not even that - if only it were. You're talking about interpretation of the bible. I'm talking about what the bible actually is. Clowns like gromit and BW bimble along thinking that christians think that it's the word of god. Did they even read the thing - it says that it fucking isn't in it and lists the things leading up to the bit where one book is supposed to have been written down under divine inspiration and then life after.
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I've read it. What has that to do with what Christians think of it? I've read Harry Potter but there are still plenty of argument about those books.

We've have this argument on urban before. The bible isn't the written word of god. The ten commandments stored in the ark of the covenant are supposedly but Indy gave them to the Government so we can't check that.

However in this thread I mention certain Christians claimed the bible was infallible despite its errors as God steered humans to write it or should i say compile it (As certain scriptures the church didn't like were left out and locked away in the Vatican so as not to upset those who don't like the idea that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene etc.)
 
Gromit said:
I've read it. What has that to do with what Christians think of it? I've read Harry Potter but there are still plenty of argument about those books.

We've have this argument on urban before. The bible isn't the written word of god. The ten commandments stored in the ark of the covenant are supposedly but Indy gave them to the Government so we can't check that.

However in this thread I mention certain Christians claimed the bible was infallible despite its errors as God steered humans to write it or should i say compile it (As certain scriptures the church didn't like were left out and locked away in the Vatican so as not to upset those who don't like the idea that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene etc.)
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What was my first post to you on this thread?
 
butchersapron said:
But oddly enough, the christans don't. They don't say that it's the word of god - these people think because the koran makes that sort of claim then that all religious texts do. It's so lazy.
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Was Calvin's thing that certain of the prophets were divinely inspired? He'd be closest to "word of God" I'd think but not what even he argued IIRC
 
JimW said:
Was Calvin's thing that certain of the prophets were divinely inspired? He'd be closest to "word of God" I'd think but not what even he argued IIRC
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Odd that the ones whose words he'd learnt by rote and who agreed with him and his plans just happened to be those ones!
 
JimW said:
Was Calvin's thing that certain of the prophets were divinely inspired? He'd be closest to "word of God" I'd think but not what even he argued IIRC
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Prophets, people that God speaks directly to. The metal health institutions of the world are full of those today, back then they wrote down what they said and passed it on.
 
Gromit said:
By claiming i don't you obviously don't.

Prophet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In religion, a prophet is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and to speak for them, serving as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other people.
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But it's still all question-begging as you're shoving both religious activity then and the very different thing now into your poor frame that fits neither.
 
Gromit said:
By claiming i don't you obviously don't.

Prophet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In religion, a prophet is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and to speak for them, serving as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other people.
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Oh jesus, he offers a material reading of prophets (they're nutters) and doesn't stop to think about their role in hierarchical society and the sort of function and power they might have?

Do they not do basic RE anymore?
 
Then you'll have a winstanley and companions working with scripture to dig St George's hill, just another bunch of nutters and that's all we can say?
 
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