If god exists, would you worship him?

[Shechemite]

There are messianic jews who might disagree with you there.

And what do you think?

 

[agricola]

You assert this - but I doubt the ultraorthodox Jewish person would agree.

Well yes, but that doesn't answer the question of whether all three groups proclaim to worship the same being.

 

[Shechemite]

It is the same God, its just that the two later religions claimed that their predecessors didn't worship Him properly.

'The same God', just different in nature and revelation?

What makes it 'the same god'?

 

[kabbes]

This is like arguing whether the dragons in Lord of the Rings are the same as the dragons in Game of Thrones. It makes no sense.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

The Old Testament and the Koran have the same prophets and stories - presumably they have the same God too.

 

[Shechemite]

The Old Testament and the Koran have the same prophets and stories - presumably they have the same God too.

They don't have the same prophets and stories.

How is the God of the Koran the same as the God of Judaism/the Old Testament?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

They don't have the same prophets and stories.

Errr .... yes they do.

 

[Shechemite]

This is like arguing whether the dragons in Lord of the Rings are the same as the dragons in Game of Thrones. It makes no sense.

No merit to literary criticism then

 

[ElizabethofYork]

The Story of Abraham (All parts) - The Religion of Islam

 

[Shechemite]

Errr .... yes they do.

No they don't. Stuff in Old Testament that isn't in Koran, and vice versa. And the 'same' ones are different in a way which reflects differing concepts of god.

 

[Shechemite]

The Story of Abraham (All parts) - The Religion of Islam

Yeah the bit about Abraham and his sons is the same in both canons

 

[ElizabethofYork]

No they don't. Stuff in Old Testament that isn't in Koran, and vice versa. And the 'same' ones are different in a way which reflects differing concepts of god.

Yes. I didn't say the Koran was identical to the Old Testament. But yes, they do have the same prophets and share many stories.

 

[Shechemite]

But yes, they do have the same prophets and share many stories.

Like Mohammed

 

[agricola]

'The same God', just different in nature and revelation?

What makes it 'the same god'?

Jews worship God. Christians worship a God that their holy book makes it explicitly clear is the same God as that of the Jews. Muslims worship a God that their holy book makes it explicitly clear is the same god as that of the Jews and Christians.

 

[Shechemite]

Bit of a leap from similar to same (God/revelation/stories/prophets)

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Like Mohammed

No, not Mohammed.

But Abraham, Isaac, Elijah, Elisha, Noah, Moses, David and several others!

 

[Shechemite]

No, not Mohammed.

But Abraham, Isaac, Elijah, Elisha, Noah, Moses, David and several others!

Yeah sure there's lots of overlap. But neither that, nor the claims of Christians/Muslims make the god of all three religions 'the same'.

 

[Shechemite]

Jews worship God. Christians worship a God that their holy book makes it explicitly clear is the same God as that of the Jews. Muslims worship a God that their holy book makes it explicitly clear is the same god as that of the Jews and Christians.

What makes this god 'the same' apart from claims

 

[mojo pixy]

Every jew, christian and muslim I've ever discussed this with has said they believe the god of all three faiths is the same.

 

[mojo pixy]

Though no doubt there are sects within each tradition who disagree.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

And what do you think?

I'll leave it up to each particular religious sect to decide on what they are. Sunnis reject Sufis as not being truly muslim, but does this mean we should just accept that as a fact when Sufis call themselves muslim? There will be Calvinists that reject Catholicism as true christianity, and Coptics that reject the Amish, and Anglicans that reject Jehovah's Witnesses. They all identify as Christian though, so who am I to take sides? They are all equally right and wrong.

 

[Shechemite]

Daft

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Daft

Why daft?

 

[agricola]

I'll leave it up to each particular religious sect to decide on what they are. Sunnis reject Sufis as not being truly muslim, but does this mean we should just accept that as a fact when Sufis call themselves muslim? There will be Calvinists that reject Catholicism as true christianity, and Coptics that reject the Amish, and Anglicans that reject Jehovah's Witnesses. They all identify as Christian though, so who am I to take sides? They are all equally right and wrong.

"Beware of those who attribute petty instructions to God", as Edhi said.

 

[Shechemite]

Because you're substituting others assertions for your own thoughts.

What do you think?

 

[mojo pixy]

As a non-believer, my thoughts on the fiction known as ''god'' are neither here nor there, frankly. What believers think about the target of their faith is a lot more relevant.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Because you're substituting others assertions for your own thoughts.

What do you think?

I think they are all worshiping the same imaginary god. I thought that was pretty obvious.

 

[Shechemite]

I think they are all worshiping the same imaginary god. I though that was pretty obvious.

And that's the extent of your thinking. Which is daft

 

[ElizabethofYork]

And that's the extent of your thinking. Which is daft

Instead of calling other people's thoughts "daft", why not explain what YOU think?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

And that's the extent of your thinking. Which is daft

And the extent of your thinking is...

Daft

So well done.