Is the Left Wing more truthful than the Right Wing, and if so, why?

[seventh bullet]

Not white, but working class? Surely, I'm guessing that she is the daughter of immigrants who usually start at the bottom and work their way up. what did her parents do for a living? your existence does grind my gears.

She is an immigrant herself. I think her political perspective involves not starting at the bottom in order to work up, but understanding why there's a 'bottom,' who it serves that such a social arrangement is in place, how absurd a lot of it is when viewed on the basis of human need, and thinking about how to abolish it. I'm glad you hate it that we exist.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

Fortunately there's been academic research into the class background of far-right support in England.

Was it done by lefties? All the working class boys at my school back in the 70s supported the National Front or the British movement it was only us middle class boys that didn't and went in for the anti-Nazi league and anti-racism stuff.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

Whatever.

IQ Like Wealth is a natural filter, you are not at the bottom. You're probably in the middle As far as wealth is concerned and probably quite high up as far as IQ is concerned.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

She is an immigrant herself. I think her political perspective involves not starting at the bottom in order to work up, but understanding why there's a 'bottom,' who it serves that such a social arrangement is in place, how absurd a lot of it is when viewed on the basis of human need, and thinking about how to abolish it. I'm glad you hate it that we exist.

That is a bit extreme, I don't hate you, try and keep it on a lighter and level basis. try and lighten up

 

[seventh bullet]

Was it done by lefties? All the working class boys at my school back in the 70s supported the National Front or the British movement it was only us middle class boys that didn't and went in for the anti-Nazi league and anti-racism stuff.

Wait until they find out who supported and actively participated in National Socialism in Germany! And also the class backgrounds of people who offered the most resistance to it.

 

[seventh bullet]

That is a bit extreme, I don't hate you, try and keep it on a lighter and level basis. try and lighten up

Cope, as the youth of today say.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

Germany!!!! Totally fucking different country, totally fucking different time, totally fucking different circumstances and issues!! - The rise of the Nazis had nothing to do with black and non-White immigration.

Right, that's enough politics for now I've got other things to do, i'm gonna go shopping back later .

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

Here's my grandsons video to keep you going show him some support.

 

[seventh bullet]

Are you okay?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Hotel Chocolate, I've tried to engage with you on this thread, but it's obviously a waste of my time. Goodbye.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

I am back later, what do you want to tell me?

 

[xenon]

People like us. People like you! I bet there isn't one single brick layer on this forum not one butcher, Probably there isn't any plumbers on this forum, people on this Forum have jobs like librarians, computer programmers, maybe a social worker or two, maybe a teacher, none of these jobs are working class.

Why's a butcher and a plumber, working class where as a computer programmer isn't? Realise, this is just your out dated prejudice about real jobs vs ones based in an office and nothing to do with economic class. They're all skilled jobs with a big variation in pay and all could be self employed.

 

[xenon]

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sort of... Clerical work no matter how poorly paid doesn't count as a working class job.

What an outmoded idiotic statement. Hint: You think admin assistants, customer service agents, on barely above minimum wage are not working class. Go and read a book, watch a film or something, you're just sounding like an ignorant twonk now.

 

[kabbes]

Structurally, the notion “middle class” doesn’t really mean anything. And “working class” isn’t a helpful term, because it naturally implies that workers are working class (what else would they be?). If you want to perform social analysis, these really aren’t the way to break down class. They’re way more suitable for marketing purposes.

 

[chilango]

Was it done by lefties? All the working class boys at my school back in the 70s supported the National Front or the British movement it was only us middle class boys that didn't and went in for the anti-Nazi league and anti-racism stuff.

I know you haven't even given it a cursory glance. Up to you I guess but ill-informed opinions lack weight for me.

 

[Rob Ray]

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If I have understood your post I think you are claiming that the lower middle classes ie. the sort of people you get on this forum are the main Constituency and backbone of far right movements and parties? This is the exact opposite of my experience of life in the UK where all virtually all them working class boys at my odd school were supporters of either the National Front or the British movement way back in the 70s the Enoch is right marches were led by Dockers. This is what I mean about the dishonest Off the left, everything is about fantasy And self-deceit and making things fit into their fantasy, their pre-scripted narrative, reality is a pain in the **** for the left. Is the Left Wing more truthful than the Right Wing? my arse!

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A right rough lot!

Sorry are you under the impression folks on here fetishise the lumpen proletariat as an unspoiled homogenous mass? Afaik the general view is that the lumpen proletariat are as messy a social grouping as the middle and upper classes (if anything more so - the middle classes have historically been fairly coherently proto-fascist and the upper classes very reliably show solidarity with each other). The fact the revolutionary potential of the working class does not match the viewpoints of much of that working class is hardly news, and is actually the whole complaint of one of the great early leftie novels (Ragged Trousered Philanthropists), so you're not offering any particularly shocking, or even interesting, assertions. Seems to me, in fact, that you're the one projecting a singular and rather unimaginative viewpoint about them.

This is the actual voting pattern from the 2024 election:



Note that while there's a large chunk of additional Reform voters the C2/DE poulation is not, as you seem to think, uniformly made up of far-right thugs and in fact there is a drift back to Labour when you get to DE. And when there is a clearer left-right choice it actually flips, with more C2DE turning left in 2017 than ABC1 (DE in fact being the most enthusiastic about the socialist option, when available):

 

[PTK]

Was it done by lefties?

A rather silly response.

 

[chilango]

A rather silly response.

Especially given some of it was done by Matt Goodwin

 

[PTK]

Especially given some of it was done by Matt Goodwin

But. . . I thought. . . I thought that IQ was a measure of intelligence.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

Are you okay?

No, I'm furious!

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

Odd question.
But .... here goes.
My dad was an electrician, my mum worked in a laundry. We lived on an inner city council estate. I went to a comprehensive school and left at 16. Since then, I've worked in a series of low pay, low status admin/clerical jobs.
That do you?

I have to admit your working class credentials are pretty sound.

 

[Yugoslav]

I live with the lumpen proletariat and they are as thick as ****! The only intelligent people around here are the immigrants, all the white people that live around here are the “left behinds”.

Now, the test I use, as I told you, is could they survive on Bear Gryll's island, could they have survived in the Stone Age? I don't use academic criteria.

I'm sure that regardless of race they would survive given the natural instinct to do so, provided they aren't addicted to technology.