Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
As said above, I think they have different concepts of 'god' - a different nature, a different revelation, a different wish etc - hence a different God for each.
If god exists, would you worship him?
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Shechemite
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It's the decision not to think about it which is daft
Shechemite
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Various religions claim to believe in the same God. Who am I as a non-believer to have any thoughts about those beliefs.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
But jews, muslims and christians all believe that God revealed himself through the prophets of the Old Testament.
They differ as to the "final" revelation, of course.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Assuming you are in the UK, you have the same Prime Minister as all other British citizens, right? And yet many of them will disagree with you about what our relationship to her should be. They will disagree about what her character is. They will disagree about what her motivations are. They all have the same PM though.
Shechemite
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Yeah so there are similarities. Not sure who is saying there aren't
Shechemite
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Theresa May, sadly, isn't just a concept/literary figure
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
You said that they all have different concepts of God's revelation. Not true.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
So say you. Maybe I disagree. Do we have different PMs?
Shechemite
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So Christians and Muslims believe that eg god revealed and Oral Torah to Moses?
You do know that the Koran asserts that what God revealed to Moses is different to what is written in the Old Testament
Shechemite
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ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
So are you saying that god in the Koran is different from god in the Old Testament? But that both those gods revealed stuff to a bloke called Moses?
And that christians believe that yet another god gave the stuff to a bloke called Moses?
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
That's it?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
er - Muslims believe that God revealed guidance to Jews and Christians, then the same guidance later on to the Prophet when some of the first groups strayed from that guidance.
Shechemite
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Indeed, and believe that the Jewish/Christian accounts of revelation are not just errant but fraudulent; and Jews/xtians believe that the Muslim account is untrue, as do they dispute each other's account of revelation.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
But they all agree that they worship the same god! They differ in how they worship it.
Shechemite
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1st point the god of the Old Testament has a eternal covenenant with Israel, but the god of the Koran does not. For example.
2nd point: In (normative) Judaism the belief is that a god who cannot beget gave a teaching to Moses that came with both a written and unwritten component, and without the intention of it being superceded. In (normative) Christianity the belief is that a god who can beget, gave Moses a teaching that only contained a written component, and which was to be superceded
Shechemite
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Apart from the ones that don't.
Shechemite
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And even the ones that do, so what?
Shechemite
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Oh ok then. You and I have the same PM. Now what?
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
So nothing. But we're having a discussion about whether or not jews, muslims and christians have the same god.
Shechemite
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For heaven's sake (yes I know), even your own link describes the criticisms messianic Jews have of Phariseean/rabbinic norms
Shechemite
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And how does your comment support the idea that Jews/xtians/Muslims believe in the same god, or square with the fact that many Jews/xtians/Muslims don't believe that they all worship the same god
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
You may be correct but I've never met any jew, muslim or christian who thinks they have different gods from each other.
Shechemite
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I've never met any Jew or Muslim that believes their god to be a trinity. Met some 'interesting' street preachers who believe eg Jews worship the devil.
Shechemite
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Also worth mentioning that Jews havent always believed in the existence of a singular, universal god.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Yep. They switched all their allegiances to Yahweh, the war-mongering god who encouraged them to beat the crap out of the other tribes to get to their "promised land".
Presumably the same god that drowned all life on earth apart from a drunken 900 year old man and 7 other incestuous family members.
Presumably the same god that drowned all life on earth apart from a drunken 900 year old man and 7 other incestuous family members.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
I've given a serious answer to your silly question. Where now?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
How about : they all agree that they worship the same god but disagree on the details as to what that God is actually like, who it has spoken to and who is the best prophet?
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