ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Nowhere. I'm bored with you now.
If god exists, would you worship him?
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Nowhere. I'm bored with you now.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
They don't all agree that no
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
But they have prophets in common. They each have their favourites of course but if they share even one prophet it must be the same god.
It's a silly discussion for atheists to have, I'll grant you.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
How come?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Because, as an atheist, I think it's a silly discussion for anyone to have.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Make your mind up.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Which literature/belief systems/parts of history do you think it isn't silly to discuss?
bimble
floofy
I wish that was true but it's really not, in anything but the most meaningless tenuous historical sense.
Greetings from Jerusalem btw : (
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Can't people have discussions about hypothetical things?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
wtf are you doing on urban then, where we have for many years specialised in silly discussions?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yes. which makes me wonder why you post at all on a forum where the trivial and inconsequential are such great topics of involved discussion and debate.
One dog
Active Member
I do no not:-
allow people to starve
allow violence and war
vote in leaders who use war....
turn a blind eye to corrupt governments
I don't condone the above either.
I don't believe that a benign and omnipotent being would allow these.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's not much of an argument against the existence of god, though. Why would it necessarily be either benign or omnipotent.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
Yes you do. I do. We all do, even if we protest.
Cognitive dissonance is almost as horrible as the horrible truth.
And then we die.
Welcome to the human condition.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
You may be channeling something attributed to Epicurus:
(latin text)
God (he asks) either wants to be rid of bad things and cannot, or can but does not want to, or neither wishes to nor can, or both wants to and can. If he wants to and cannot then he is dull, and this does not apply to god. If he can but does not want to then he is evil, which is equally alien to god. If he neither wants to nor can, he is both evil and dull, and so not god. If he wants to and can, which is the only fit state for a god, where therefore do bad things come from? And why does he not remove them?"
It's not certain Epicurus actually said or wrote it, but whoever did, it's a good question.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
There is, it's the same for just about everyone. It goes like this:
I am a good person
but
Death and Destruction are bad
therefore
Death and Destruction (bad) are nothing to do with me (good)
It's comforting, but it doesn't withstand a proper analysis of the facts.
SheilaNaGig
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this thing again.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
Well yes, it's an extremely simplified (it goes like this) version of something which is nonsense to begin with.
SheilaNaGig
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Nonsense. Okay.
SheilaNaGig
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bubblesmcgrath
Well-Known Member
It's called free will....
bubblesmcgrath
Well-Known Member
Yeah...you're not the only "good" person in the world. Believe it or not many people are "good"....
They choose to do good and be kind. They choose to stand up for those who can't.
It's not a superpower. It's a way of life. It's something that transcends organised religions. It's in the way people protest peacefully on behalf of the most downtrodden. It's in the moments people stand together for all sorts of human rights.
Think of Martin Luther King. One voice. Yet what a voice.
Think of any great leader for peace..all were just one voice
..representing millions.
John Lennon.
Dalai Lama.
You may not have their strength or wisdom but you could live a life that chooses to exemplify kindness.
You don't live in a vacuum.
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The missing category is that bad things aren't really bad, when viewed from the holistic perspective of an eternal, omnicogniscent being.
It's all bollocks though. Absolute anything does contain within it the seed of its own contradiction, which is the basis of Epicurus' argument there, no matter how clever a resolution there might be to specific manifestations of the argument.
One dog
Active Member
That sounds like fuzzy logic to me.
Just for information purposes, what would withstand a 'proper analysis of the facts'?
One dog
Active Member
My 'free will' would have me prevent suffering, but I don't have the power to intervene in the suffering of all humanity. Even a missionary cannot do that and I am not a missionary. It does not mean I am complicit in suffering of others.
One dog
Active Member
Would you care to elaborate please?
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
I'm not quite sure what exactly you're saying isn't nonsense. In my view, claiming to be a good person is nonsense when simply being alive entails so many other things dying to facilitate that. Claiming no responsibility for any harm in this world is simply dishonest, and yet it's an almost inevitable consequence of claiming to be a good person. Cognitive dissonance ensures it.
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