Johnny Canuck3
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What would he do: send you for a million years to a lake of fire. 
If god exists, would you worship him?
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Yes but not before getting all red and constipated. Would be worth it for the lols
Johnny Canuck3
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If God existed, then there's probably a Devil, too.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Gotta keep him down in the hole
Surely if there really is an all-powerful benevolent being capable of creating everything by will alone, it makes it less likely such a being would have what would be an antagonist undermining him?
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Johnny Canuck3
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It's all a bunch of bullshit, anyway; but in the book where the idea came from originally, it's got a Devil - in both testaments. So if one of the Biblical make-believe creatures is real, then maybe they all are. If God were real, and you went and looked at your pincushion, there'd probably be angels dancing on the head of each and every one.
In for a penny, in for a pound.
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Johnny Canuck3
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It's an interesting question: if we were somehow informed that God was going to show up tomorrow - exactly which God is it that would be showing up?
There's a bunch of different versions of God that I'd describe as the 'Intellectual Atheist's God'. Atheists don't believe in God, of course, but a lot of them have probably thought about what God might possibly be like. They apply logic, reason to the question; and come up with 'the all-powerful universal force that is unaware of and unconcerned with the existence of humans'. Or the 'benevolent creative force in the Universe'. Or the whatever. There can be as many different theories of what God is, as there are people thinking about it.
But imo, what all those theories boil down to, is the conceptualization of what the thinker thinks God would be like, or should be like. Or the God that most fits with logic - to the extent that such an idea can fit with logic.
It's atheists saying "I don't believe in God; but if it turned out that there is one, this is how I would prefer it to be; or this is the type of God that best fits with my logical conception of things.'
It's the 'preferred God', for each atheistic thinker. The most palatable God.
Then, there's the other God. The God of the Bible. The God of Adam's rib; of the banishment from the Garden. The God of the Flood, and the God of the Burning Bush. The jealous God; the God who is capable of producing offspring. The God of the Passover.
The God of illogic, of unreason. The God of passion, and faith, and benevolence, and damnation.
So which God would show up? Arguably, it is equally likely or unlikely that one of the Preferred Gods would be the one showing up, as it would be the Biblical God. But if popularity or numbers have anything to do with it, the Biblical God would have an edge. Billions believe in that God literally, and have done so for millennia. That God has longevity going for it.
And that God created Lucifer, and the Cherubim, and the angels with four wings, covered with a skin of eyes. So if that God shows up, there's no reason to think that all the rest aren't waiting in line behind their God, to take their place in the world as well.
There's a bunch of different versions of God that I'd describe as the 'Intellectual Atheist's God'. Atheists don't believe in God, of course, but a lot of them have probably thought about what God might possibly be like. They apply logic, reason to the question; and come up with 'the all-powerful universal force that is unaware of and unconcerned with the existence of humans'. Or the 'benevolent creative force in the Universe'. Or the whatever. There can be as many different theories of what God is, as there are people thinking about it.
But imo, what all those theories boil down to, is the conceptualization of what the thinker thinks God would be like, or should be like. Or the God that most fits with logic - to the extent that such an idea can fit with logic.
It's atheists saying "I don't believe in God; but if it turned out that there is one, this is how I would prefer it to be; or this is the type of God that best fits with my logical conception of things.'
It's the 'preferred God', for each atheistic thinker. The most palatable God.
Then, there's the other God. The God of the Bible. The God of Adam's rib; of the banishment from the Garden. The God of the Flood, and the God of the Burning Bush. The jealous God; the God who is capable of producing offspring. The God of the Passover.
The God of illogic, of unreason. The God of passion, and faith, and benevolence, and damnation.
So which God would show up? Arguably, it is equally likely or unlikely that one of the Preferred Gods would be the one showing up, as it would be the Biblical God. But if popularity or numbers have anything to do with it, the Biblical God would have an edge. Billions believe in that God literally, and have done so for millennia. That God has longevity going for it.
And that God created Lucifer, and the Cherubim, and the angels with four wings, covered with a skin of eyes. So if that God shows up, there's no reason to think that all the rest aren't waiting in line behind their God, to take their place in the world as well.
If you're going purely by popularity, surely it would be Ganesh that would turn up?
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Johnny Canuck3
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Anybody going by popularity would probably go with the Christian god, since Christianity is the largest religion by far.
OTOH, more than half of the population (by a long way) think this is not the correct image of God. They just can't agree on what it should be instead.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh but that's not necessarily the god who would appear (or of course in the xian case, gods)
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
What would he do: send you for a million years to a lake of fire.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
What if god was one of us?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Just a stranger on the bus?
I'd roll up my sleeves and offer him the choice of a straightener or an 'all-in'.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
The "christian god" is also the god of Islam and Judaism.
Ungrateful
Tired and Weary
Is it? I though the Christian deity was a three-in-one offer (father-son-holy ghost); whilst the Jewish one is strictly monotheistic (single, uniform, indivisible and omnipresent). Not sure about Islam, but I'm guessing its closer to Judaism on this. So whilst the term Judeo-Christian might have useful political purposes: either to support liberal attempts to counter Christian anti-Semitism, or as a conservative political construction of a unified Western bloc against a hostile global alternative (Islam, Asian polytheism etc), it is actually nonsensical. Theologically Christianity and Judaism are incompatible. Bible II, the New Testament sequel is supposed to supersede Bible I (Torah) in Christianity; whilst Jews don't recognize Bible II as part of the franchise at all.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
It is the same God, its just that the two later religions claimed that their predecessors didn't worship Him properly.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
As for the question in the OP, yes, I bloody well would worship a wrathful all-knowing god that threatens an eternity in a lake of fire if I don't. The unfairness of having to do so, and any amount of outrage on my behalf at having to do so, would all be countered by a sense self-preservation. Actually, it seems a pretty good deal - pop along to church and sing a few hymns each week, and get to live in a heavenly paradise forever as a reward? Yes please! It's only a shame there appears to be no god.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Walking the walk and talking the talk makes no difference to an entity that can see right into your lying heart. God demands love, not just obedience. Could you really bring yourself to actually love such a vile creature?
I know I couldn't. Since I'm doomed to hellfire anyway, I might as well get there with the comfort of still having my integrity.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
I'll let you know after the test ride we apparently get in Hades. I reckon with a bit of Stockholm syndrome I could summon up enough god-luvin to avoid Gehenna.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
You mean Purgatory, possibly. Hades is a place in Hellenic polytheism.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Depends which translation of the bible I think. Original Greek New Testament made a distinction between Hades and Gehenna, King James translated both just as 'hell', and newer bible translations restore the original distinction. Purgatory is a thing made up by the pope. Well it's all made up really, but you get the point.
Ungrateful
Tired and Weary
You assert this - but I doubt the ultraorthodox Jewish person would agree.
Which kind of proves my point as they are not regarded as Jews, by any other Jewish denomination - but as Christians. Which, as they recognize Christ as The Messiah, they are.
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