gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
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God and religion
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weltweit
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Dawkins has made a bit of an arse of himself going after the clock maker, he seems to have missed out judgement wise with it.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
No shit Sherlock
JimW
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It's one of the least salient issues in the production and practise of religion. The fact that the particular things believed vary widely over time and across cultures ought to tell you that.
it is kind of fundamental, the particular irrational belief isn't particularly relevant
JimW
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No, that's just a dim failure to see.past the obvious. If Christianity goes from Jewish heresy to slave love-cult to state religion of the empire one of the least interesting things to say is it's a series of outbreaks of irrational belief.
that isn't what I'm saying - of course that is interesting from a historical perspective, I'm talking about being dismissive of religion though
the argument doesn't need to be deeply theological as objected to by a previous poster, nor does whether it is 'interesting' have any relevance
JimW
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It remains interesting to me that it has the various social functions today even somewhere like the UK where we have universal education in the sciences. I've never believed but seems pointless to dismiss it as just irrational.
That can be interesting, sure. But not really relevant to the point I was making.
Why? Surely blind faith is inherently irrational regardless of any rational arguments you can make within the confines of that faith.
JimW
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I think for a lot of.people I've met it's not the most unreasonable response to the shortcomings of modernity would be one thing. Often beats a lot of the rational materialist selfishness, for example.
JimW
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Even there things like wanting life to be more than this or a moral code don't seem silly to me though I'd agree they don't actually need a theological basis.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
There are also Christian Scientists. Something no-one should be happy about.
JimW
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Though I did have a mate whose vegan punk band scheduled their tour of America to take take advantage of CS all-you-can-eat veggie buffets.
ETA Bollocks, no that's some other lot. Seventh Day Adventists maybe?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
They've got a little book shop and drop in center round the corner from where a mate used to live in N'pton. Never quite been sure what their deal is, don't care enough to google for it. Never saw anyone going in or out though.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
The 7DA's certainly are veggies - and some of the longest-lived (and best studied for that) people on the planet.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
You seem to think it's wrong that Christians don't follow the Jewish law.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
Ive been tempted to go to my local church because I know many of them will completely disaprove of my mere existence and I'd be interested to see what happens.
I enjoy the spectacle of worship even though I know in my every being that there is no God. But given that, doing church can't hurt anyone or anything.
Anyway - I've been too busy so it's never happened.
In my old age I've begun to have sympathy for people with religion - whilst not in the least changing my views about the non existence of God. But I do feel now that not all religious people are automatically bad, and I have a level of acceptance now that I never had as a young person, unless religion is used as a shield for bigots to hide behind, as it so often is.
I enjoy the spectacle of worship even though I know in my every being that there is no God. But given that, doing church can't hurt anyone or anything.
Anyway - I've been too busy so it's never happened.
In my old age I've begun to have sympathy for people with religion - whilst not in the least changing my views about the non existence of God. But I do feel now that not all religious people are automatically bad, and I have a level of acceptance now that I never had as a young person, unless religion is used as a shield for bigots to hide behind, as it so often is.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
What is it with atheists and their superiority complex?
Some do, some don't. Like some religious types I guess.
BandWagon
Life's a bitch and then you die...
It's the selective quoting of biblical passages in support of a position that I object to, which is why I quoted the Levicutus passage about shellfish. Some people quote the same book to justify prejudice against gay people.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I understand what you're saying, but why would the Jewish dietary and other laws have to be obeyed by non-Jews?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You still don't get what the bible is. Your insistence that it is what you think it is is mental.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
as well as being a misogynist pig
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
jesus wept
He had trouble getting to Damascus too!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
so do we all, sprocket., so do we all
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
But the religion IS selective about the OT.
It's still bolted on to the Roman Jesus bits because it supposedly prophesises the Messiah - albeit a married Rabbi ... and an actual King of the Jews...
And overall it gives a stamp of authority to the Jesus myths.
And Jesus is made to say that the old law stands.
It's still bolted on to the Roman Jesus bits because it supposedly prophesises the Messiah - albeit a married Rabbi ... and an actual King of the Jews...
And overall it gives a stamp of authority to the Jesus myths.
And Jesus is made to say that the old law stands.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Not quite. He said that he was the fulfilment of the Law.
