rich! said:Does that make herself Eve, or Felicity?
Neither, probably ...
Glastonbury 2008
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david dissadent
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For those who dont know and may yet care, virtual festivals has lost its 'offical' tag with Glastonbury. As this is a story involving an internet forum and festivals, offcourse, it is full of skull duggery, betryal and all the usual over the top reaction of a bad mellodrama. A couple of people seem to be reacting as if someone died.....
On the whole it seems as if GFL will relaunch the whole thing in a few weeks in a different format.
There is something about festival forums. Everyone I have been involved in (including being moderator) have all been the most tempestuous places online ever. Its all sex, scandal, madness*, marrage breakups and flouncing.
*ok that one was me.
On the whole it seems as if GFL will relaunch the whole thing in a few weeks in a different format.
There is something about festival forums. Everyone I have been involved in (including being moderator) have all been the most tempestuous places online ever. Its all sex, scandal, madness*, marrage breakups and flouncing.
*ok that one was me.
david dissadent
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Not a bad thing, just a change....wiskey said:
Picked up on this today, and I may? have exchanged an opinion with you elsewhere david
This news is not very important overall and JTG is cruelly right, the split between the Glastonbury official setup and a message forum, who can no longer call themselves official TOSsers
, is of no real importance to the vast majority of festie goers.
Some people on the former TOS are getting right agitated, but with no real justification IMO -- better off being non aligned and independent and freely able to comment, as critically as necessary ...
I'm still quite interested in how GfL will choose to disseminate their information and question answering and discussions onliine though. The festival's decision to cut TOS adrift with (apparantly) no real warning, even to that site's supportive/loyal-to-a-fault moderators, was a bit of a kick in the teeth for that forum's regulars (of whom I know one or two). I suspect, as do one or two other people commenting, that the festival wants much greater control over what sort of 'message' and 'image' is put out online. It has been speculated that the festival (or its advisors/consultants?) don't want a bunch of uncontrollable online chatters saying things randomly on a site which up to now was linked to the actual official Glastonbury website and which was therefore, defacto, the 'official' discussion board of Glastonbury.
Trying to be objective and not too contentious here, but certain issues are raised by this move I think.
This news is not very important overall and JTG is cruelly right, the split between the Glastonbury official setup and a message forum, who can no longer call themselves official TOSsers
, is of no real importance to the vast majority of festie goers.Some people on the former TOS are getting right agitated, but with no real justification IMO -- better off being non aligned and independent and freely able to comment, as critically as necessary ...
I'm still quite interested in how GfL will choose to disseminate their information and question answering and discussions onliine though. The festival's decision to cut TOS adrift with (apparantly) no real warning, even to that site's supportive/loyal-to-a-fault moderators, was a bit of a kick in the teeth for that forum's regulars (of whom I know one or two). I suspect, as do one or two other people commenting, that the festival wants much greater control over what sort of 'message' and 'image' is put out online. It has been speculated
that the festival (or its advisors/consultants?) don't want a bunch of uncontrollable online chatters saying things randomly on a site which up to now was linked to the actual official Glastonbury website and which was therefore, defacto, the 'official' discussion board of Glastonbury.Trying to be objective and not too contentious here, but certain issues are raised by this move I think.
William of Walworth said:Picked up on this today, and I may? have exchanged an opinion with you elsewhere david
This news is not very important overall and JTG is cruelly right, the split between the Glastonbury official setup and a message forum, who can no longer call themselves official TOSsers
Some people on the former TOS are getting right agitated, but with no real justification IMO -- better off being non aligned and independent and freely able to comment, as critically as necessary ...
I'm still quite interested in how GfL will choose to disseminate their information and question answering and discussions onliine though. The festival's decision to cut TOS adrift with (apparantly) no real warning, even to that site's supportive/loyal-to-a-fault moderators, was a bit of a kick in the teeth for that forum's regulars (of whom I know one or two). I suspect, as do one or two other people commenting, that the festival wants much greater control over what sort of 'message' and 'image' is put out online. It has been speculated
Trying to be objective and not too contentious here, but certain issues are raised by this move I think.
I found it very surprising that in recent years TOS seemed to become quite a public face for the festival, fielding loads of questions and moans on all the latest ticketing rules. I always thought the Press Office really should have been doing all that.
isitme said:
Do I know you?
Teaboy said:
Yeah, it's been argued that the Festival being pretty much officially linked to a discussion forum where all sorts can be posted and sometimes was, was quite a pronounced anomaly.
There's no way a Press Office could have fulfilled the same function as a forum though. Various forums, TOS included, exist for lots of reasons -- not least for hard core festie addicts to indulge/gossip about their festival addictions/obsessions all year long
But also, more broadly, for people planning to go to Glastonbury (etc.), sometimes for the first time, to find out about stuff and ask questions and exchange opinions/experiences.
Even the best Press Officers in the world can't fulful that function, they deal with the Press specifically, mind you any proper journalists worth their salt would spread their research net further and check discussion forums too
wiskey
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i think that people were getting far too good an insight of what they were going to encounter at glastonbury (basically the real hardcore tossers experiences), it was turning into one huge mob, who got each other tickets, organised huge campsites and all came to consume.
the glasto site needs a really good faq on tickets and stuff and then people should just buy a ticket and see what they find when they get there, rather than being able to ask every question in detail and plan everything before hand.
the glasto site needs a really good faq on tickets and stuff and then people should just buy a ticket and see what they find when they get there, rather than being able to ask every question in detail and plan everything before hand.
wiskey said:
Where does Camp Urban fit into that outlook then? I believe we were exchanging tips/wrinkles on how to secure tix here too, in 2007 and previous years ...
There's more than one way of seeing it. Not saying you're all wrong, at all, in fact I've specifically agreed with you in past chats that the passive audience consumption thing has grown over the years at the expense of DIY/create what you want to find thing. But I'm not sure it's all about the net and forums that this has happened.
Another perspective might say that many sound people (perhaps including me, if you're in a benevolent mood!
) would not have got to Glasto in 2007 but for some help from online contacts. Also that those most determined tp go, those most keen to organise/get into support networks, might include the keenest and most enthusiastic, and in many cases, experienced people AND positive/enthusiastic new people who really want to put something in themselves. There were more than a few of those on TOS (as was) and on efests too, doubtless other forums. Plenty of immature fools around online as well, obv. ... In 2008, Deb and my way of putting something back in will be to work (details to be confirmed later, but it's looking positive). Not everyone, even the oldest of schoolers, are naturally exuberent and creative, even 'back in the day' there were still plenty of those who were part of the audience, they may still have been creative in seeking out the most interesting and less mainstream stuff though, and enthusiastically supporting it. Creative DIY festival entertainment makers (who haven't disappeared at Glastonbury, anyway) can't exist in a vacuum, there will always be an audience, and not all will participate/create themselves. And not all large groups of campers are tossers or mindless passive consumers either. Not accusing you of saying this exactly, but there seemed to be a bit of a cynical/disillusioned undertone, which would be a shame, because many aspects of Glastonbury are still spot on IMO. What pagan said a lot earlier in this thread about Glasto being like an old pullover that you still find yourself having to put on every year .,.. that's how I see it anyway. Still plenty of positives ...
Now that I'm much more in agreement with ...
A lot of Tort's superb and excellently helpful FAQ list (can't find the link right now) was along those lines ....
firky said:William says I have to go to Glastonbury
You VILL mindlessly consume!! Jawohl!!!
With Glastonbury having very specific ticketing details which change reguarly people have a lot of questions. To their credit the mods on that site always tried to answer these questions, but having volunteers (who were only briefed second hand if at all) was never a great idea.
Oh well at least I may be able to mention the word 'drug' over there now without be jumped on........ just as illegal inside as outside etc etc.
Reason for edit typos.
Oh well at least I may be able to mention the word 'drug' over there now without be jumped on........ just as illegal inside as outside etc etc.
Reason for edit typos.
wiskey said:
umm - not wishing to disagree with you completely, but you're talking about an event that is massively promoted in terms almost completely as a series of gigs, costs an effing fortune, and has to be booked 6 months in advance.
"buy a ticket and see what they find" just isn't going to work for that.
david dissadent
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Everyone turing up on the wednesday and the really overcrowded stone circle do give some validity to what you say..... but I dont think TOS added to that much. Just the over hyping of it on the BBC.wiskey said:
david dissadent
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Jo Wiley killed Glasto.
wiskey said:
I still think you're being too jaded and cynical
And more than a little generalising ...
david dissadent said:
Is Glastonbury dead, though? Really?
There's still plenty of Glastonbury that irritiating as fuck babblers like Jo Wiley will never go near, never mention, and never understand.
moose
like some cat from Japan
I'd argue (and no doubt get slated) that camps of people from various websites can change the nature of a festival completely, sometimes to its detriment, in a way that never happened pre-internet forum. I went to one small festival which was completely ruined by a one-off influx of people from a festival website breezing into town and forming nearly 20% of the population, and substantially changing the mood. In the case of Glastonbury, these groups are still dwarfed by the overal size of the thing, but I'd agree with wiskey that people can have too much information.William of Walworth said:
Pavlik said:
A lot of places north of th old railway line, admittedly not all.
