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Gammon is not racist
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Plastic Paddy
Ffs. A lot of point missing going on here. The original post (of mine on another thread) pointed out that Gammon is currently used by some Asian kids to pejoratively refer to white people, any white people, and that I have given one of my nephews a bollocking for using it in that way. In that context it IS racist, notwithstanding that it may not be when used in other contexts.
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I think it's still an open question whether the 'racism' is the most useful term for that kind of prejudice (i.e. against the dominant culture).
Is it racist when black people say white people don't season their food?
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
oh god - dont go around introducing notions like "nuance" and "depends on the context" ....
The person who started a similar thread avoided the 'racist' word
https://www.urban75.net/forums/thre...rm-for-red-faced-right-wing-white-men.358557/
krtek a houby
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If white people use it to take the piss out of other white people, it's not racist (I think). Or at least, not intended to be.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I'll say this for him, he definitely doesn't post on here in the expectation of not being challenged by anyone.
Hitler wasn’t racist because he also targeted white people.
If you want to turn the majority white population against Muslims then a sound strategy would be to bomb their kids.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
No, you're Hitler.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Was the Bologna railway station bombing racist, or the mass bombing of Guernica or the Oklahoma bombing? No but they were carried out by fascists.
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And if you want to turn a majority of Muslims against Muslims would a sound strategy be to bomb their kids as well? As happens in other countries...
Isis kills more Muslims than anyone else
Muslims 'absolutely' the group most victimized by global terrorism, researchers say
Smangus
comatose at a desk
Dr Jazzzz alert...
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well if you accept that racism can be levelled at people of a dominant culture, and you'd be stupid not to, then that's exactly what it is. In that context it is a term of mockery based on the colour of someone's skin. How's that not racist?
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
So could it be our ( I am white, also Male, 50s overweight ruddy complexion sometimes ) G word?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh Get out more
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Gammonist
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
You called a woman who filmed a tirade of racist abuse towards shop workers, a fuckwit, for using the word gammon in her tweet. Do you reckon that racist fucker would be offended by that? Would he have thought that as racist towards him? I doubt he fucking would to be fair, whilst he was frothing at the mouth shouting & swearing for blacks to fuck off back home.
This whole thread has come about due to that.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Nation of Islam is a movement that was set up in the US and is clearly a reaction to the vicious racism black people were suffering there. But that doesn't mean it isn't itself a racist ideology. When it classifies people by race and labels certain races 'devils', it is being racist. It is a racist reaction to racism. What else could it be?
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
In a ham-fisted kinda way, maybe
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Is punching someone who has just punched you the same thing? A reaction to violence is different to that initial violence. Not that hard a concept to understand, surely?
And a term based around someones expressed political viewpoint (which is where the term came from) is a tad different to discrimination based purely on someones skin colour.
And a term based around someones expressed political viewpoint (which is where the term came from) is a tad different to discrimination based purely on someones skin colour.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I was pointing out the hypocrisy of a young Asian woman calling a white bloke a racist gammon.
Had she called him a racist cunt/fuckwit/something else, she'd have had my wholehearted support. Whether or not the bloke would have been offended is neither here nor there.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Or that white people smell like wet dogs that have come in from the rain then lay in front of the fire for a bit?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
That's a best a half-truth.
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
There can be many different reactions to an action. If your reaction to racial prejudice is itself a form of racial prejudice, that's racial prejudice. That doesn't deny anything about the causes of racism or the forms it takes in the world, but you need to perform some rather weird mental gymnastics to defend the idea that Nation of Islam's belief system is not a racist belief system. Why would you even want to?
Turn that on its head: Nation of Islam is not racist because of the power dynamics of the USA. Therefore it is possible to hate a whole group of people because of their race without it being racist. It is possible to hate an individual because of the racial group you think they belong to without it being racist. That doesn't work, does it?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It's a rather simplistic description of NoI, but, even that withstanding, a reaction to racism is different to the initial racism. To say they are the same thing (which 'they're all racist' does) is mistaken, and does nothing to counter racism or NoI's prejudices.
The woman who slaps her abusive husband, who has beaten her up for years. Is she a domestic abuser, same as him?
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