Baronage-Phase
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Technically you have to be pinkish.
Gammon is not racist
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Technically you have to be pinkish.
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
If there's one of them: Gammona
If there's more: Gammone - as per Italian plural nouns
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Yossarian
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Katie Hopkins.
Smangus
comatose at a desk
No its not , the power structures behind racism that allows one group to oppress another eg white on black do not operate in reverse , as the oppressed group (generally) will not have the power to discriminate aginst their oppressors.
This is why so called "reverse racism" called against policies such as affirmative action initiatives is such bollocks and a false right wing trope.
The use of gammon is offensive and pejorative ceftainly but not racist, anyone who says it it needs to revisit fundamentally what thier idea of racism is and how it operates on a broader power based scale.
Struwwelpeter
Earthling
Speaking as a white balding male in my 50s, I do not find gammon offensive to me, because I do not hold the views that go with the term. It's about having a go at the white male privilege that allows such men to get away with voicing their offensive views without any repercussions. As Smangus says, it's to do with where the power lies. Yes, it's offensive, but I find the views held by gammons to be offensive, so fuck 'em.
Yeah. There’s nothing racist about grown south Asian men thinking white girls are ‘sluts’ for dressing immodestly and using that as justification to rape them.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Indeed, that's just straightforward extreme levels of violent misogyny being acted on, the same behaviour which has happened since before Britain was even a name.
There might be something racist in linking that sort of dangerous social conservatism exclusively to South Asian men while ignoring the fact that rape as a phenomenon, almost always using the same tropes, is and always has been in the vast majority committed by white guys with no south Asian links whatsoever.
That's the sort of thing folks can do when all the major institutional structures in our society allow for targeted vilification of minority groups which then have minimal leverage to defend themselves though I guess.
There might be something racist in linking that sort of dangerous social conservatism exclusively to South Asian men while ignoring the fact that rape as a phenomenon, almost always using the same tropes, is and always has been in the vast majority committed by white guys with no south Asian links whatsoever.
That's the sort of thing folks can do when all the major institutional structures in our society allow for targeted vilification of minority groups which then have minimal leverage to defend themselves though I guess.
Smangus
comatose at a desk
You're absolutely right, its the result of worst form of cultural sexism and predjudice, not racism.
Culture and ‘race’ are inextricably linked though. It’s the equivalent of our (white) racists fixating on the wearing of hijab, which I doubt you wouldn’t argue isn’t a racist position.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Agreed, but the point troubling me about the use of the term is that it is a pejorative dependent on skin colour (race?).
As such, I don't think its use represents the smartest way to challenge those who do harbour prejudice based on that very basis. Someone up thread did use the term 'hypocritical' and I think those using the term 'Gammon' to categorise racists/bigots do lay themselves open to that accusation. If any of the 'gammon' were smart enough to see the irony of calling out their racism on the basis of their colour, I'm sure they'd be the first to say that it therefore (in some warped way) legitimises their prejudice.
lucillemara
Member
even if racism against white people existed what is the political utility of calling asian predators racist? it's a gift to the far right and an obfuscation of the sexual politics involved
Because people can see right through those who are politically inconsistent.
lucillemara
Member
what is politically inconsistent? not singling out offenders of a certain background, downplaying sexism in favour of racism?
Are objections against the wearing of hijab racist? According to you that downplays the sexism (I’d argue it can be both).
Asian men calling white girls ‘sluts’ for dressing immodestly is therefore also both racist and sexist. The inconsistency is to argue one is racist but not the other.
lucillemara
Member
I see, you don't know what racism means.
they usually are when coming from white people. context is a thing.
Well if you’re of the view that only white people can be racist then your logic makes sense. Otherwise...
And far from handing something to the right I think what’s being handed to them is giving them the space to appear to be the only ones saying the blindingly obvious.
Presumably blowing up a concert of mostly white kids isn’t racist either. 
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Thought thread was about gammon being racist or not 
Can't stop Magnus on his hobby horse
Can brown people be fascist yes/no?
If yes then they can use racism as a means to divide people the same as white fascists do.
If no, well that’s too far down the rabbit hole I think.
Smangus
comatose at a desk
Presumably blowing up a concert of mostly white kids isn’t racist either.
ISIS and sympathisers blow up plently of Arab, Asian and black people too, all around the world. Maybe you hadn't noticed this in your obviously thorough research into Racism , it's meaning, effects and causes....
lucillemara
Member
you think racism is a bad attitude instead of a material reality. and you're arguing we should adopt right wing arguments to appease the free tommy crowd?
I’m arguing that it’s more useful to point out the similarities between white fascists and non white ones than to simply pretend it can only exist for one of those two groups.
lucillemara
Member
are asian sexual predators fascists? what about the white ones?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Can't remember the last time I went down the shops without a horde of brown youth yelling 'honky' at me.
Oh no wait, it was every time. Every single day of my life I've not been subjected to abuse because of the colour of my skin. If that applies to you too, which it absolutely does, then I reckon probably shut the fuck up.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh. they're fascists. how does that advance things?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
ride a cock horse to banbury crossCan't stop Magnus on his hobby horse
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