Gammon is not racist

[littlebabyjesus]

Can't remember the last time I went down the shops without a horde of brown youth yelling 'honky' at me.

Oh no wait, it was every time. Every single day of my life I've not been subjected to abuse because of the colour of my skin. If that applies to you too, which it absolutely does, then I reckon probably shut the fuck up.

Oh dear.

I'm with Magnus on this. Attempts to define racism as something that only people from certain groups can do are massively unhelpful and require some pretty drastic mental gymnastics. Why do it?

 

[lucillemara]

Oh dear.

I'm with Magnus on this. Attempts to define racism as something that only people from certain groups can do are massively unhelpful and require some pretty drastic mental gymnastics. Why do it?

colonialism is a thing

 

[Magnus McGinty]

are asian sexual predators fascists? what about the white ones?

The fascism argument pertains to the bombing of the concert.

 

[lucillemara]

The fascism argument pertains to the bombing of the concert.

the terrorist was an ethnic supremacist who killed out of hatred of white people?

 

[Pickman's model]

colonialism is a thing

yeh but rhythm is a dancer

 

[littlebabyjesus]

colonialism is a thing

Sure. And you can define racism very simply without denying that. Your definition won't contain all aspects of the processes that produce racism, but why should it? Too much work for one word to do.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

yeh. they're fascists. how does that advance things?

As part of a wider antifascist argument put towards those who may be attracted by those ideas. Surely this is obvious stuff?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Oh dear.

I'm with Magnus on this. Attempts to define racism as something that only people from certain groups can do are massively unhelpful and require some pretty drastic mental gymnastics. Why do it?

I'm of the opinion that prejudice against the ruling majority of the population doesn't count as racism, because it doesn't derive from systemic oppression in the same way.

But that's not what I was getting at. My point was simply that Spymaster is full of shit. Nobody is hurling abuse at him in the street because he's white. If people are hurling abuse at him in the street, it's because they've fucking met him.

 

[Santino]

Everything bad is fascism.

 

[Spymaster]

Can't remember the last time I went down the shops without a horde of brown youth yelling 'honky' at me.

Oh no wait, it was every time. Every single day of my life I've not been subjected to abuse because of the colour of my skin. If that applies to you too, which it absolutely does, then I reckon probably shut the fuck up.

Don't be a plank, Frank.

 

[brogdale]

I'm of the opinion that prejudice against the ruling majority of the population doesn't count as racism, because it doesn't derive from systemic oppression in the same way.

But that's not what I was getting at. My point was simply that Spymaster is full of shit. Nobody is hurling abuse at him in the street because he's white. If people are hurling abuse at him in the street, it's because they've fucking met him.

Is Spy 'white'?

 

[A380]

I’ve only just skimmed this thread, but apparently it’s still ok for me to contribute as I think I’ve caught the gist of the argument.

So, I got two unsmoked gammon steaks at the weekend cos they were sort of on an offer (Waitrose no less...) Ms 747 - veggie- is away so was going to do them with chips and peas for young master A320 and me. Am I a racist now if I eat them, or would it be more racist not to eat them?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm of the opinion that prejudice against the ruling majority of the population doesn't count as racism, because it doesn't derive from systemic oppression in the same way.

But that's not what I was getting at. My point was simply that Spymaster is full of shit. Nobody is hurling abuse at him in the street because he's white. If people are hurling abuse at him in the street, it's because they've fucking met him.

Something you clearly haven't done.

 

[Spymaster]

Is Spy 'white'?

Frank's tanked.

 

[DotCommunist]

you should stalk the photos thread SF, that way you know what everyone looks like.

 

[A380]

...

But that's not what I was getting at. My point was simply that Spymaster is full of shit. Nobody is hurling abuse at him in the street because he's white. If people are hurling abuse at him in the street, it's because they've fucking met him.

He may be full of shit sometimes ( or his trousers are) but Spy isn’t white.

 

[krtek a houby]

you should stalk the photos thread SF, that way you know what everyone looks like.

Too many dongs, though

 

[SpookyFrank]

If I have made inaccurate assumptions about anyone's ethnicity I apologise unreservedly.

No witty quip to go here, genuinely feel like a right stupid twat rn. Frank done fucked up.

 

[TopCat]

Oh dear.

I'm with Magnus on this. Attempts to define racism as something that only people from certain groups can do are massively unhelpful and require some pretty drastic mental gymnastics. Why do it?

It gives cover to people who like being cunts.

 

[Smangus]

The fascism argument pertains to the bombing of the concert.

Carried out by a death cult - ISIS that longs to destroy everything that does not agree with it's world view, remarkably equitable that aim. Not racist, but prejudiced, racism is a specific form of prejudice, something you don't want to understand. Anyone can be predjudiced, not every predjudice can be racist due to the power, or lack of it behind that. This is the distinction.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

I'm of the opinion that prejudice against the ruling majority of the population doesn't count as racism, because it doesn't derive from systemic oppression in the same way.

I think that's basically sound but we move around the world. I find myself part of an ethnic and religious minority in Spain, systematically oppressed to a tiny extent. Can I sound off about Spanish people when I'm here but have to shut up the moment I arrive in UK? Or do I represent the ruling majority at a European or world scale?

I think Gammon is a silly form of attack on angry white men, it gives them ammunition.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

the terrorist was an ethnic supremacist who killed out of hatred of white people?

To create a negative environment for Muslims to create division to further a fascist strategy.

 

[krtek a houby]

I think Gammon is a silly form of attack on angry white men, it gives them ammunition.

Grenades or pineapples?

 

[lucillemara]

To create a negative environment for Muslims to create division to further a fascist strategy.

ok, so ISIS is fascist, I can accept that. wtf does that have to do with white people?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Carried out by a death cult - ISIS that longs to destroy everything that does not agree with it's world view, remarkably equitable that aim. Not racist, but prejudiced, racism is a specific form of prejudice, something you don't want to understand. Anyone can be predjudiced, not every predjudice can be racist due to the power, or lack of it behind that. This is the distinction.

Who decided that? Was there a meeting? Racism is prejudice against a person or people based on the racial group the person or people is/are perceived to belong to. It has a pretty simple definition. When was that changed?

Whatever the reason for the prejudice, if you're prejudiced towards particular racial groups, that is racial prejudice, no, and therefore racism? What else could it be?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

ok, so ISIS is fascist, I can accept that. wtf does that have to do with white people?

The bombing targets you mean?

 

[krtek a houby]

The bombing targets you mean?

As pointed out before, ISIS target Muslims as well. Probably more Muslims than other victims.

 

[lucillemara]

The bombing targets you mean?

some of them are white. are they targeted for their skin colour?

 

[lucillemara]

was 9/11 racist?

 

[SpookyFrank]

I think Gammon is a silly form of attack on angry white men, it gives them ammunition.

I actually agree on this point. I just don't think it's racist. If it specifically applies to white people that's probably because it's generally only white people, in the UK at least, who feel socially entitled enough to spout mean-spirited rubbish about everyone else and expect to be taken seriously and to not have their views questioned or challenged.