Gammon is not racist

[A380]

likesfish : in relation to this thread...

 

[Wilf]

. ban me by all means i've been a cunt.

What, again?

 

[Celyn]

Celyn, it's sarcasm.

Ah. The poster seemed not to see the sarcasm about the Catholic church, so I wasn't sure.

 

[lucillemara]

Used once. By one poster. With whom nobody has agreed. And, who, in any event, is likely a sock puppet of yours, lucillemara/dialectician.

I have a far right sock to argue with myself for shits and giggles why exactly? I know I don't come across well, partly because I'm genuinely angry even when flippant and I actually care about this more than being nice to people I don't know and have little in common with but naively thought might share more concerns than seems to be the case. Is that so hard to believe? I am scared and pissed off and unhappy with things and two of my least favourite elements - idpol/anti-idpol and fascist appropriation of sexual violence - were available to yell at, partly directed at one person and partly towards tendencies and people from elsewhere. I assumed talking generally about broad trends would be understood as that - my mistake - and that people would understand what fascist discourse looks like and how it spreads and know to shut it down - you're better than Reddit I guess. If the right didn't exist the left would be the enemy.

I've been accused of about 5 different old posters by now I think.

 

[mojo pixy]

It happens to everyone who turns up making a big noise, nothing personal.

 

[lucillemara]

I'm not planning to stick around for long which will be a relief to everyone myself included- I wonder if there is a story behind the Magnus McGinty's which isn't something that would explain his forefronting of certain elements over others in the instance of sexual violence he cares about

why is everyone so fucking calm?

 

[danny la rouge]

 

[rekil]

Spoiler

 

[krtek a houby]

I'm not planning to stick around for long which will be a relief to everyone myself included- I wonder if there is a story behind the Magnus McGinty's which isn't something that would explain his forefronting of certain elements over others in the instance of sexual violence he cares about

why is everyone so fucking calm?

Seen it all before

 

[heebyjeeby]

you have never once mentioned the danger posed to the working class posed by the non-muslim grooming gangs because you do not give a shit, and your uncritical repetition of the state line can only be a deliberate tactic at this point

so again we're equivocating with the meaning of class, using a racialised idpol definition when useful to attack idpol without any sense of irony, asserting the primacy of class is supposed to be a reminder of materialism but this the opposite

"class not race" is basically not even wrong as far as this goes since there is no basic understanding of the terms involved

'I don't give a shit' you havent a clue what I care about.'Deliberate tactic' of what?

 

[heebyjeeby]

while I don't know the history between posters here, it's interesting to note that, while fascist rherotic is challenged to an extent, there has been a bizarre reaction to the most reasonable posts on the thread (not by me), to the extent that it's a noticeable undercurrent even without knowing urban internal politics, and I have to question why this is

No one here is a fascist you fucking rape apologist.

 

[heebyjeeby]

it's time to admit white men have a serious problem

ah now we have the idpol nonsense of race hatred. You really are very sad indeed

 

[krtek a houby]

So, which one of you is a returning banned poster? Or are both of you?

Just curious as to why you do it, again and again. Is it unfinished business, a grudge, or plain old beef with a few urbanites?

 

[likesfish]

likesfish : in relation to this thread...

View attachment 151126

retires smugly my work here is done

 

[Athos]

So, which one of you is a returning banned poster? Or are both of you?

Just curious as to why you do it, again and again. Is it unfinished business, a grudge, or plain old beef with a few urbanites?

Lucille is clearly Dialectician. The topics, the MO, the language, the tabulation etc. A particularly obvious clue being that new paragraphs are started without a capital letter. Suspect the other is a sock puppet, because nobody was taking the bait (but less sure).

 

[danny la rouge]

I concur.

 

[xenon]

Lucille is clearly Dialectician. The topics, the language, the tabulation etc. A particularly obvious clue being that new paragraphs are started without a capital letter. Suspect the other is a sock puppet, because nobody was taking the bait (but less sure).

I don’t think so. He is using a lot of pictures. But maybe he’s got more patience with Google image search than I.

 

[xenon]

I don’t mind either way TBH. Thread has gone weird, sometimes interesting.

 

[Athos]

I don’t think so. He is using a lot of pictures. But maybe he’s got more patience with Google image search than I.

All text heavy.

 

[xenon]

All text heavy.

What are, the pictures? I don’t know how he is doing it exactly then. Because my screen readers certainly don’t read any of the text in those images.

 

[A380]

See that’s the difference between you and me. We often arrive at the same conclusion, but you do it through forensic analysis of posts, building up an evidence base and then making a cogent argument,* whereas I post up stupid shit I find on line.

(* Where’s the fun in that?)

View attachment 150531

Lucille is clearly Dialectician. The topics, the MO, the language, the tabulation etc. A particularly obvious clue being that new paragraphs are started without a capital letter. Suspect the other is a sock puppet, because nobody was taking the bait (but less sure).

 

[Athos]

See that’s the difference between you and me. We often arrive at the same conclusion, but you do it through forensic analysis of posts, building up an evidence base and then making a cogent argument,* whereas I post up stupid shit I find on line.

(* Where’s the fun in that?)

Horses for courses. There's something to be said for the speed of heuristic methods.

 

[Athos]

What are, the pictures? I don’t know how he is doing it exactly then. Because my screen readers certainly don’t read any of the text in those images.

I don't know enough abbot the technology to answer that, I'm afraid. The other clues are pretty strong, though.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

now this is an interesting reaction. I think it says it all really.
close the thread. all you need is the title.

It was a joke. Never mind.

 

[kabbes]

I’m willing to believe Lucille is a new poster. Whomever it is, though, they come across as young. Whether that’s because they are young or because they’ve never developed their communication style I don’t know. But they strongly remind me of an enthusiastic 22 year old who has only just discovered how fucking unfair social structures actually are and is keen to tell the world about it. And assumes everyone else is a reactionary bigot who has never come across these ideas before.

Lucille, most of your underlying points are entirely reasonable. But it’s all couched in such an antagonistic and pugnacious style that I have no desire to get involved with your conversations. Surely, you want engagement and not to actively put people off?

 

[danny la rouge]

Edited. I was being slow.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I'm on a wind up in the sense that I am attempting to provoke a reaction because this stuff should provoke strong reactions and I do not believe the specific fixation indulged in this thread is held out of any kind of concern for victims- the downplaying of patriarchy in favour of ethnicity shows there is no real interest in dealing with this worldwide epidemic- and I am trying to demonstrate that this rhetoric is dangerous and has actual context

With respect, you're doing a spectacularly bad job of it. You come across like a teenager with a bad attitude who just ate their critical studies text book and is now puking out passages seemingly at random.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

hey I found your mates

Except I’m not being a liberal apologist for this kind of offending and thus providing a platform for the far right to organise around.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

I’m willing to believe Lucille is a new poster. Whomever it is, though, they come across as young. Whether that’s because they are young or because they’ve never developed their communication style I don’t know. But they strongly remind me of an enthusiastic 22 year old who has only just discovered how fucking unfair social structures actually are and is keen to tell the world about it. And assumes everyone else is a reactionary bigot who has never come across these ideas before.

Lucille, most of your underlying points are entirely reasonable. But it’s all couched in such an antagonistic and pugnacious style that I have no desire to get involved with your conversations. Surely, you want engagement and not to actively put people off?

I'm sure we've done (more than) our fair share of 'youngsplaining'.

I was explained the rise of Franco by 17 yr olds yesterday! I listened with interest.

One thing about 'fascist rhetoric' is that it takes expressions and images and skunks them over. In a space of ten years the Union flag on a t-shirt went from being all Carnaby St and groovy to being NF-BNP code. A lot of what might strike someone now as fash-y, what Lucille calls 'fascist rhetoric', might easily be
used by someone of another generation without the same resonances.

(My father, not a fascist, put his pre-war editions of Kipling, all beautifully illustrated with Swastikas, in a box in 1938 and never took them out again)

what fascist discourse looks like and how it spreads and know to shut it down

I think we've got a pretty good idea. It has been shut down before. Not completely, but quite effectively. You're talking to people who have acquainted fascists with the pavement. How we talked at the time might have then and might now sound neanderthal, though.'White working class' might have once been a useful term, though I wonder, but it's not a 'dog-whistle' for every single person who uses it today just because it was appropriated by fascists.

 

[xenon]

White working class as a phrase got used a lot In criticisms and analysis of the 90s top-down multiculturalist rhetoric and policies of New Labour. Particularly in reference to education, as a group who were apparently overlooked Left to fail. Of course a lot of this criticism came from the people who implemented policies got to that state. Class was not going to be there emphasis . But that sort top-down multiculturalism foreshadows many of the problems with idpol.