Gammon is not racist

[lucillemara]

Muslim grooming gangs are a reality and no amount of posturing makes it go away and they were a racist endeavour. They were enabled by police,social workers and local government for a variety of reasons fear of being called racist being an obvious one. Class not race is the defining issue. Idpol itself is a liberal position popular amongst the monied middle classes of the USA

you have never once mentioned the danger posed to the working class posed by the non-muslim grooming gangs because you do not give a shit, and your uncritical repetition of the state line can only be a deliberate tactic at this point

so again we're equivocating with the meaning of class, using a racialised idpol definition when useful to attack idpol without any sense of irony, asserting the primacy of class is supposed to be a reminder of materialism but this the opposite

"class not race" is basically not even wrong as far as this goes since there is no basic understanding of the terms involved

 

[Pickman's model]

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That's your best post to date

 

[Ax^]

Muslim grooming gangs are a reality and no amount of posturing makes it go away and they were a racist endeavour. They were enabled by police,social workers and local government for a variety of reasons fear of being called racist being an obvious one.

not that white men don't preform grooming or have history for it

hey we used to give them Tv and Radio Shows

 

[mojo pixy]

Using terms such as indigenous/traditional/working class as code to mean White, excludes everyone else who fits those descriptions. It places value on 'Whiteness' and positions it as powerful. This is nothing new. a lot of institutionialised racism has done the same thing for centuries now. Make something 'invisible' by never actually naming it whilst exalting it as the default perspective. So yeah, weaponised.

IMO distinguishing between ''Indigenous Working Class'' and ''Foreign Working Class'' - even if there's nothing racialised in it and it's only about native / non-native workers - is a bad idea with horrible roots and nasty objectives. It only benefits owners / bosses / capital to make such a distinction. If it is racialised then worse still, but it's already a dodgy thing to be doing whatever indigenous is meant to mean in indigenous working class.

 

[A380]

Why would getting rid of Trident diminish the nation?

Because we don’t want to have the only navy in the world that used to be able to burn down Paris but couldn’t any more...

 

[A380]

nukes are like willies

What, almost half the population has at least one?

 

[Poi E]

Use imprudently and your world may drastically change.

 

[Treacle Toes]

IMO distinguishing between ''Indigenous Working Class'' and ''Foreign Working Class'' - even if there's nothing racialised in it and it's only about native / non-native workers - is a bad idea with horrible roots and nasty objectives. It only benefits owners / bosses / capital to make such a distinction. If it is racialised then worse still, but it's already a dodgy thing to be doing whatever indigenous is meant to mean in indigenous working class.

Why are you telling me? I know.

You specifically questioned why i saw what was being posted as 'weaponising' Whiteness. I've explained it. A bit baffled why I'm having to explain such a widely known process as 'othering' in the first place tbh. But there it is.

 

[mojo pixy]

I didn't question why you saw anything as anything, and you chose to explain othering, nobody made you. Otherwise, I agree.

 

[8ball]

IMO distinguishing between ''Indigenous Working Class'' and ''Foreign Working Class'' .

I think it mostly comes from the “we’re a minority in our own country” whine, which goes well with their perception of the benefits they see other indigenous populations as getting (certain protections and measures etc.).

So they want what they see as the protections that are due to them.

 

[mojo pixy]

Definitely. It's easy to understand, too, but it's wrong and needs challenging wherever it comes up.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I didn't question why you saw anything as anything, and you chose to explain othering, nobody made you. Otherwise, I agree.

Righto!

 

[Treacle Toes]

So is that weaponised? Not sure.
But it is 'race-specific', I accept that.

Righto...you never posted this. I"ve just fabricated it.

 

[mojo pixy]

You chose to explain, I never asked you to.
Thank you for the explanation anyway.

 

[8ball]

You chose to explain, I never asked you to.
Thank you for the explanation anyway.

Soz, was that at me?
I think you were bang on when you mentioned the conflation with “aboriginal”. Which historically speaking is a stretch for anyone living here.

 

[mojo pixy]

no, it was a reply to the post above it.
for clarification, this is also a reply to the post above it.

 

[Athos]

You specifically questioned why i saw what was being posted as 'weaponising' Whiteness.

No they didn't. The question wasn't addressed to you.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I think bringing up "muslim rape gangs" and anti-white crime was weaponising race
things have implications beyond what they literally mean or what people intend and with the long history of fascist appropriation of socialist rhetoric and socialist parties embracing liberal racism to their doom there needs to be a keener eye for it than there currently seems to be

the idea or implication that taking race seriously in a structural sense is liberal or anti-working class is also weaponising race and it can't be challenged often enough even though it's tedious and repetitive

Just fuck off. Those rapey cunts move the underage girls between properties so let’s not pretend that class has nothing to do with how they manage to remove vulnerable girls from their lives to become prostitutes.
The race angle is when they call them ‘white trash’ whilst raping them. But, not racist according to liberal apologists. Because imperialism.

 

[lucillemara]

Just fuck off. Those rapey cunts move the underage girls between properties so let’s not pretend that class has nothing to do with how they manage to remove vulnerable girls from their lives to become prostitutes.
The race angle is when they call them ‘white trash’ whilst raping them. But, not racist according to liberal apologists. Because imperialism.

fuck you you evil fucking cunt, don't even pretend you give a shit about the victims here
no more humouring the likes of you

nazi image removed

 

[lucillemara]

while I don't know the history between posters here, it's interesting to note that, while fascist rherotic is challenged to an extent, there has been a bizarre reaction to the most reasonable posts on the thread (not by me), to the extent that it's a noticeable undercurrent even without knowing urban internal politics, and I have to question why this is

 

[8ball]

fuck you you evil fucking cunt, don't even pretend you give a shit about the victims here
no more humouring the likes of you

The charm school called.
Apparently Ofsted have ruled that you're due a quite considerable rebate.

 

[lucillemara]

just providing some historical context

 

[lucillemara]

it bears repeating because it keeps happening, and yet again it's the anti-idpol people who are trying to split the working class into ethnonationalist factions

 

[Athos]

it bears repeating because it keeps happening, and yet again it's the anti-idpol people who are trying to split the working class into ethnonationalist factions

#notallanti-idpolpeople

 

[Athos]

while I don't know the history between posters here, it's interesting to note that, while fascist rherotic is challenged to an extent, there has been a bizarre reaction to the most reasonable posts on the thread (not by me), to the extent that it's a noticeable undercurrent even without knowing urban internal politics, and I have to question why this is

What reaction, to which posts?

 

[Serge Forward]

Hmm... I'm anti idpol and I think you'll find I've taken a pro-revolutionary class struggle internationalist position. Still, carry on.

 

[lucillemara]

I deleted the image because it's horrible

but I am pissed off with what is happening here. ban me by all means i've been a cunt, but I don't know why these sentiments are allowed and why other much milder sentiments get so much more pushback.

 

[lucillemara]

don't mean to erase people, I am lazy and use broad brushes and have baggage from elsewhere

 

[Magnus McGinty]

fuck you you evil fucking cunt, don't even pretend you give a shit about the victims here
no more humouring the likes of you

Only you are challenging me. I’m sure others are twitching slightly whilst grudgingly accepting I have a point.

 

[lucillemara]

if that is the case then it is a lost cause
you are a collaborator