mojo pixy
שיר חדש
You started it.
Gammon is not racist
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You started it.
lucillemara
Member
why so much effort coming up with scenarios in which white people are the victim?
lucillemara
Member
no, it's terrible but it's not racist
the inferiority of white people is not part of our racial ideology
the inferiority of white people is not part of our racial ideology
Gromit
International Man of Misery
I love how people manage to qualify their racism. Oh it’s not racism because...
All races count. All racism counts.
You can even be racist against your own race.
Bigotry is bigotry and any who try to believe their bigotry is the good kind of bigotry not the bad kind are really missing the point.
mojo pixy
שיר חדש
isn't having a racial ideology in the first place literal racism?
come on, you're all over the place.
lucillemara
Member
white supremacy is hegemonic. that's our racial ideology as it exists today. it is racism but racism also includes the violence the ideology reflects and justifies.
Humberto
Justice is order
I don't really get it. This 'gammon' being racist. Its not I word I would use myself, but it seems to be stretching the definition. I would have thought it would be in the class of say: 'pasty face', laughing at David Dickenson back in the day or calling women orange and it becoming some kind of meme with associated connotations. Except now its all over twitter.
Sunset Tree
Well-Known Member
The term itself doesn't offend me personally. But the type of people who gleefully adopted it are the worst sort of middle class smug twitterati liberals. Can't fail to be shit politics coming from that crowd.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
You first, old bean. I am still awaiting your refutation of racism being prejudice+power.
Your earlier response was this:
"A racist statement however, is racist."
Which, obviously, fails to cover it.
Racism isn't just prejudice. Prejudice, along racial lines, has existed throughout history. But it wasn't really 'racism' when there was no ideological (and material) apparatus to back it up, it was simply individual prejudice. Nasty and shitty, of course, but a different beast, which needed tackling in different ways. Racism was explicitly developed to justify colonialism and the plunder, conquest and slavery. It was developed a a key tool to divide and rule the working-class. In that, it is quite different to not liking Wednesday fans. Power matters.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Can you point out anywhere that I've made the argument that racism is just prejudice?
No? Didn't think so. It's a strawman you've manufactured to avoid some tricky questions.
Can you answer those questions now please?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Your logic is failing, again. I didn't say you said that, so there is no straw man.
Obviously even you will recognise that racism can be more than just prejudice, but just prejudice is enough. Which is what I am disagreeing with.
You need to use your terms more carefully.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
So you're asking me to refute a position that I don't disagree with?
And you reckon it's MY logic that's failing? Fucking hell. You really are the master of misrepresentation and obfuscation.
Now about those questions ...
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Ah yeah, it’s racist to care about black victims of violence in their communities.
How’s about you fuck off?
Treacle Toes
Time
When have you ever expressed concern or interest in the crime and violence that White people are a victim of in communities that are predominantly White? ...'you know 'White victims of violence in their communities'.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACHOO
*sneezes over thread*
Sorry about that. Hayfever. All that straw.
*sneezes over thread*
Sorry about that. Hayfever. All that straw.
When have you ever expressed concern or interest in the crime and violence that White people are a victim of in communities that are predominantly White? ...'you know 'White victims of violence in their communities'.
When I talk about class, but for the purpose of this conversation I’m having to frame everything in liberal shite because idpol.
Treacle Toes
Time
I have never once read you talking about White victims of White violence. You never do it.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
No. YOU said that prejudice alone was enough to make something racist. A specific kind of prejudice, but still, just prejudice. I have argued that it requires more than prejudice. That is the difference.
So, back to you.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
When have you ever expressed concern or interest in the crime and violence that White people are a victim of in communities that are predominantly White? ...'you know 'White victims of violence in their communities'.
Pensioner arrested on suspicion of murder after a suspected burglar was stabbed to death.
When travellers are involved.
Maybe you should re-read the fairly recent thread about the white thieving scumbag getting murdered by the white pensioner?
Of course it wasn’t framed in terms of race. Only liberal dicks do that.
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