French Presidential elections

[treelover]

I wonder if many on the left here who are endorsing Melenchon are aware he doesn't support open borders, what he calls 'freedom of destination, he does though support a much better deal for those left behind in the banliues, especially the young.

 

[Dogsauce]

I disagree. The FN has been getting progressively stronger for a long time now and Marine Le Pen is way more electable than her father. She's also been re-positioning the party -- pretty successfully too -- as a 'worker's party'.

Voting FN is now mainstream.

Isn't the European far right in general capitalising on the refugee crisis? With a decline in refugee numbers coming through in the last year is there a chance this might die off a bit? Although the World still seems fucked in so many places that I guess high numbers may continue for some years.

 

[stethoscope]

Isn't the European far right in general capitalising on the refugee crisis? With a decline in refugee numbers coming through in the last year is there a chance this might die off a bit? Although the World still seems fucked in so many places that I guess high numbers may continue for some years.

It's also very much capitalising on the working class having been fucked over by years of neoliberalism. And the more that centrist and centre-right neoliberal governments keep getting returned, it's just going to keep fuelling them.

 

[J Ed]

Melenchon not endorsing Macron, good.

Watch him become enemy 1

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's also very much capitalising on the working class having been fucked over by years of neoliberalism.

Seems to me that it combines the two. It is capitalising on the way people have been fucked over, but providing a solution that blames foreigners in their midst.

 

[stethoscope]

Seems to me that it combines the two. It is capitalising on the way people have been fucked over, but providing a solution that blames foreigners in their midst.

Hence also!

 

[brogdale]

Melenchon not endorsing Macron, good.

yet

 

[redsquirrel]

Nobody has said that. I have responded to posts that have seen this result as building towards greater success in the future. That is far from assured.

They aren't going to break 50%, or even 40%, in a couple of years but Macron's doubling down in neo-liberalism is perfect for them.

 

[stethoscope]

Looks like Melenchon has come fourth, was hoping he'd push Fillon into that.

 

[DotCommunist]

It's also very much capitalising on the working class having been fucked over by years of neoliberalism. And the more that centrist and centre-right neoliberal governments keep getting returned, it's just going to keep fuelling them.

thats why I said they have only kicked the ball down the road. I am of cource 100% certain that macrons activists will be on the doors in the banlieues and so on ...

 

[J Ed]

thats why I said they have only kicked the ball down the road. I am of cource 100% certain that macrons activists will be on the doors in the banlieues and so on ...

If they are anything like their leader I imagine they would get their teeth knocked out

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/opinion/why-french-workers-are-so-mad.html

PARIS — Last month, Emmanuel Macron, a onetime investment banker who is now the Socialist government’s young minister of the economy, visited Lunel, a small town in southern France. He was taken to task in the street for the “loi travail,” the labor law — recently pushed through by his government — that he was in Lunel to promote. A trade unionist wearing a T-shirt challenged him: “You, you’ve got lots of cash, you buy yourself nice suits.” Without missing a beat, Mr. Macron responded, “The best way to afford a nice suit is to work.”

A video of the interaction has been practically running on a loop on YouTube ever since. To most people in France, this exchange says it all about the gap between Mr. Macron and the working classes. In his eyes, if you don’t have a suit, it’s because you don’t work.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Hence also!

I don't agree with your second part, though, necessarily. The rise of the far right in Norway cannot really be explained through people being fucked over by neoliberalism. The explanation is more troubling than that, I think - certainly more complex.

 

[stethoscope]

I don't agree with your second part, though, necessarily. The rise of the far right in Norway cannot really be explained through people being fucked over by neoliberalism. The explanation is more troubling than that, I think - certainly more complex.

Norway is governed by a liberal and right-wing neoliberal coalition isn't it?

Edit: and one imposing austerity.

 

[brogdale]

Looks like Melenchon has come fourth, was hoping he'd push Fillon into that.

From the Guardian's live feed...

This is the ongoing actual vote count which in its early stages includes mainly rural constituencies that tend to lean to the right, while results from urban areas that lean left will come in later.

 

[The Boy]

From the Guardian's live feed...

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Melenchon is likely 4th. The voting estimates are usually very accurate and he's about half a point behind Fillon in most of those.

 

[treelover]

thats why I said they have only kicked the ball down the road. I am of cource 100% certain that macrons activists will be on the doors in the banlieues and so on ...

Yes, its the same sort of young liberal left who here are describing working class brexiters as racists, xeno's, thick, etc.

 

[treelover]

If they are anything like their leader I imagine they would get their teeth knocked out

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/opinion/why-french-workers-are-so-mad.html

I bet the BBC never covered that.

 

[brogdale]

Melenchon is likely 4th. The voting estimates are usually very accurate and he's about half a point behind Fillon in most of those.

True, but the updates are demonstrating the bias of France profonde atm.

 

[The Boy]

True, but the updates are demonstrating the bias of France profonde atm.

Oh, no doubt. My old stomping ground voted overwhelmingly in favour of MLP (albeit there were 211 voters when my Da' was adjoint at the Mairie, iirc). Though the next commune along voted NF by only a small margin over Macron, so go figure.

 

[yield]

Norway is governed by a liberal and right-wing neoliberal coalition isn't it?

Edit: and one imposing austerity.

Yeah TruXta was talking about that recently.

 

[billy_bob]

Terrible, uninspiring speech from Macron just now. Almost completely content-free. Hard to see how you'd get enthused about it even if you were into that sort of thing.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Melenchon hasn't refused to endorse Macron, btw. He's refused to concede defeat.

 

[yield]

Terrible, uninspiring speech from Macron just now. Almost completely content-free. Hard to see how you'd get enthused about it even if you were into that sort of thing.

Post charisma technocrat. Great.

 

[stethoscope]

 

[The39thStep]

She's through to the second round of the presidential election!

If only the left could get something like this :

 

[RD2003]

The rise of the far right in Norway cannot really be explained through people being fucked over by neoliberalism. The explanation is more troubling than that, I think - certainly more complex.

All the class content having been taken out of anti-racism might be a place to start.

 

[hot air baboon]

I don't buy the idea that this election represents a staging post towards further FN success next time around.

Moisi on BBC did float the following scenario - that France 2016 is like USA 2008 - still sticking with the hopey-changey thing.....and if that go phut then France 2022 might shift to a USA 2016 scenario of political anger coming to the fore.

This is entirely dependent on all sorts of lurking exogenous variables but above all the economy & the grinding logic of the structural 20% over-valuation France v Germany of the currency entailing internal devaluation & other "reforms" - which will be the reality of Macron's shiny happy smiley vacuous Blair-lite promises - all from a starting point of 25% youth unemployment - quite apart from potential inflammatory flash points such as the refugee crisis or further terror incidents

although the final run-off is hardly going to be an ege of the seat affair the instaneous & unanimous baptising of Macron by the discredited "establishment" figures must be something of a mixed blessing

 

[coley]

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If only the left could get something like this :

Looking at that map suggests LE Pen will 'walk it' am I missing something?

 

[treelover]

Katya Adler on BBC News said "that the left had been decimated" Hamon, the P/S, yes, but Melenchon?

 

[Dr. Furface]

Looking at that map suggests LE Pen will 'walk it' am I missing something?

Yes. Maps don't get to vote.