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stethoscope said:
Spinetta report urges SNCF to prepare for competition

(although frankly whatever gets posted you'll never accept it)
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I really, genuinely might, you know, if it had something in it where someone said something about EU law justifying privatisation of SNCF.

The report referred to in that article repeatedly states that EU regulations leave the French state with a free choice as to whether or not it opens its railways to commercial competition. Of course, it also has a clear view about how it should exercise that choice.
 
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stethoscope said:
Solidarity to French strikers. So fucking obvious this was coming :mad:
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Played out in our lap-dog media as Macron has a mandate to take on the unions, but the strikes are very deep and very effective. Macron has no mandate, people voted against a fascist, not for him.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Played out in our lap-dog media as Macron has a mandate to take on the unions, but the strikes are very deep and very effective. Macron has no mandate, people voted against a fascist, not for him.
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one of the largest abstention rates in french history iirc. Most people voted for no one. Mind you to the liberals and the guardian macron represents a gleam of 'centrist sanity'. And if working people have to get thrown under the train? Doesn't matter, what are the plebs going to do, vote le pen?

twats
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Played out in our lap-dog media as Macron has a mandate to take on the unions, but the strikes are very deep and very effective. Macron has no mandate, people voted against a fascist, not for him.
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Which is why I never fall for the vote x to stop the 'fascists' scare tactic that the political establishment, liberals and sections of the left use.
 
The interviewees I've seen on French telly, both pro- and anti-Macron, seem to be unanimous in terms of what they want from their railways: Don't be like Britain.
 
Good to see that the election of a liberal hasn't enabled physical attacks on protesters/the left. Oh wait.
Benalla, described as one of Macron’s confidants, was reportedly attending the march as an observer with another security officer, Vincent Crase, who works for Macron’s centrist party, La République En Marche. Benalla is seen on the video grabbing and dragging a woman, then threatening, hitting and stamping on a second person, a young man. Crase, who was also wearing a police armband, is seen dragging and threatening a man.
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17 months away but the three front runners make depressing news . To my surprise Le Pen is pro EU well remain and reform anyway.

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Good to see that voting for Macron has defeated the RN

The39thStep the 3rd of Perry Anderson's pieces in the LRB touches on the inability of RN, or M5S, Lega, Podemos, Syrzia etc, to advocate a total break with the EU. Anti-EU feeling is driving these parties but they are fundamentally unable to challenge the EU as they are in too deep with the Euro.

Anderson said:
Viewed soberly: nowhere do prospects look particularly favourable to populist forces in Europe, of whatever complexion. Where they remain outsiders in the political system, the risk they represent to it tends to strengthen the status quo. Where they enter the political system, as supports or partners of the establishment, they tend to become assimilated to the dominant consensus. The fears on which they play, while often radical in form, easily become conservative in effect where issues of identity or immigration arise. Overarching them is the reality that the centrist bloc of opinion encompassing moderate conservatives, temperate liberals, pragmatic social democrats and self-satised Greens – acronymically in Brussels, the EPP, RE, S&D and Greens/EFA – is much larger than its opponents on right or left, and remains overwhelmingly dominant in the Union. In the spreadeagled, distended space of today’s Europe, control of the media landscape and lavish funding from the Commission make this force fully as capable, to use Michael Mann’s phrasing, of outanking symptoms of disgruntlement from below as its homologues in India, China or America. It would take another and altogether more seismic 2008 to shake these political co-ordinates.
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New French poll




1st Round
  • Le Pen (RN) 28%
  • Macron (EM) 24%
  • Bertrand (LR) 14%
  • Mélenchon (FI) 10%
  • Hidalgo (PS) 8%
  • Jadot (Grn) 6%

2nd Round
  • Macron 53% / Le Pen 47%
  • Bertrand 57% / Le Pen 43%
  • Le Pen 51% / Hidalgo 49%

Not a huge change from the poll above. And while 2nd round polling is going to be pretty hypothetical at this stage those increase in Le Pen's 2nd round vote does illustrate a path to how the RN could win in future.
 
If we assume that all first round voters participate in the second round (they won't) you would hope that Macron gets all of Mélenchon's and Hidalgo's supporters and possibly a lot of Les Republicans.

Note that I hope, rather than expect.
 
stavros said:
If we assume that all first round voters participate in the second round (they won't) you would hope that Macron gets all of Mélenchon's and Hidalgo's supporters and possibly a lot of Les Republicans.

Note that I hope, rather than expect.
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You'll likely get a load of people who didn't vote in the first round voting against Le Pen in the second. I was living in France in 2002 and that, anecdotally, is what happened then.
 
I don't hope for Macron to get anything. He's the other side of the same coin as Le Pen. The RN win by being the only realistic non-technocratic non-neoliberal option. Exactly as the FdI and Lega are doing in Italy.
 
redsquirrel said:
I don't hope for Macron to get anything. He's the other side of the same coin as Le Pen. The RN win by being the only realistic non-technocratic non-neoliberal option. Exactly as the FdI and Lega are doing in Italy.
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Yeah it's finally got to the point where there will be no functional difference or if anything Le Pen might find it harder to carry out her agenda due to a national assembly with a good reason to try and fuck her up.
 
Piece in Jacobin on possible alliances between the "left" parties

For those who see unity as the path forward for France’s badly divided left, the northern region of Hauts-de-France may provide a glimmer of hope. Despite their many differences on the national level, the country’s biggest left-wing parties — La France Insoumise (LFI), Europe Ecology – the Greens (EELV), the French Communist Party (PCF), and the Socialist Party (PS), as well as the smaller formations Génération.s. and Place Publique — are joining forces for the regional elections this June.

Above all, the alliance is driven by survival instinct. Party leaders share a sense that without presenting a united front in the first round on June 13, they’ll be knocked out of contention for the second round on June 20. Under election rules, each ticket earning more than 10 percent qualifies for the runoff round — which, in this region, is all but certain to involve the right-wing Les Républicains (LR) and the National Rally (RN).
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Indeed, as the 2022 presidential race approaches, each of the parties involved has signaled openness to an accord with other forces on the Left — and yet little ground has been broken. Mélenchon has already declared his candidacy and aims to emerge as the de-facto progressive option as in 2017 (he earned 19.6 percent of the first-round vote then); EU parliamentarian Yannick Jadot also aims to position himself as a front-runner but still needs to win the Green primary slated for September; and the Socialist mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo, is also considering a run.
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I think the scepticism about how successful this is going to be is warranted, but it will be interesting to see the results in June.
 
redsquirrel said:
New French poll




1st Round
  • Le Pen (RN) 28%
  • Macron (EM) 24%
  • Bertrand (LR) 14%
  • Mélenchon (FI) 10%
  • Hidalgo (PS) 8%
  • Jadot (Grn) 6%

2nd Round
  • Macron 53% / Le Pen 47%
  • Bertrand 57% / Le Pen 43%
  • Le Pen 51% / Hidalgo 49%

Not a huge change from the poll above. And while 2nd round polling is going to be pretty hypothetical at this stage those increase in Le Pen's 2nd round vote does illustrate a path to how the RN could win in future.
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Hang on. . . in that first round poll, Melenchon is meant to come fourth, ahead of Hidalgo. So why does the second round poll only list Le Pen/Hidalgo as one of the outcomes of the first round?
 
Idris2002 said:
Hang on. . . in that first round poll, Melenchon is meant to come fourth, ahead of Hidalgo. So why does the second round poll only list Le Pen/Hidalgo as one of the outcomes of the first round?
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It's just one of the various pairings they ran. From a later poll Mélenchon loses even bigger than Hidalgo (not that surprising really, some centre(-right)-ists may vote PS to keep Le Pen out but can not bring themselves to vote for Mélenchon)
 
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