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Feminism and the silencing of women

You clearly have a different perspective on things, but from my reading of the last few pages of the thread, there were some posters making some very childish jokes, you then pulled them up on it, and were backed up by several other posters, including a mod.
If those posters were making racist jokes, would they still be here, and still doing the same type of jokes again next week?
 
You clearly have a different perspective on things, but from my reading of the last few pages of the thread, there were some posters making some very childish jokes, you then pulled them up on it, and were backed up by several other posters, including a mod.

Yes, and there was more that could have been added by me. I'm not going to rehash it here. I really haven't the stomach for any further discussion at this point.
 
Yes, and there was more that could have been added by me. I'm not going to rehash it here. I really haven't the stomach for any further discussion at this point.

Wasn't after a rehash. It just looked like you were talking about a different thread in a way. Probably due to exhausted exasperation.
You said your piece about what was going down, got a little pushback, then got more backup.

It looked more like succeeding than silencing is all, as tiresome as I'm sure it is having to go round the carousel each time.
 
Wasn't after a rehash. It just looked like you were talking about a different thread in a way. Probably due to exhausted exasperation.
You said your piece about what was going down, got a little pushback, then got more backup.

It looked more like succeeding than silencing is all, as tiresome as I'm sure it is having to go round the carousel each time.


Right-oh guv. I'm sure you know best.

:thumbs:
 
Well in a large group training on equality today a senior Male leader says to a female who is not in his team (ie he doesn't know her well or at all) "I'll come to you in a minute darling"

I'm copying in ska invita he knows the woman in this incident and he will know she is the least likely woman to let that go by (she is your link at my work place )
 
Well in a large group training on equality today a senior Male leader says to a female who is not in his team (ie he doesn't know her well or at all) "I'll come to you in a minute darling"

I'm copying in ska invita he knows the woman in this incident and he will know she is the least likely woman to let that go by (she is your link at my work place )

Was there any comeback from this incident?
 
You clearly have a different perspective on things, but from my reading of the last few pages of the thread, there were some posters making some very childish jokes, you then pulled them up on it, and were backed up by several other posters, including a mod.
Wow, sheila's point went right over your head didnt it.
 
Wasn't after a rehash. It just looked like you were talking about a different thread in a way. Probably due to exhausted exasperation.
You said your piece about what was going down, got a little pushback, then got more backup.

It looked more like succeeding than silencing is all, as tiresome as I'm sure it is having to go round the carousel each time.
Just right on over there,by a country mile as well.
 
Let's all keep an eye on Johnson this morning. Let's see whether his reshuffle favours men, with female ministers losing their jobs but more female junior ministers being appointed 'for balance', as has been predicted.
 
Let's all keep an eye on Johnson this morning. Let's see whether his reshuffle favours men, with female ministers losing their jobs but more female junior ministers being appointed 'for balance', as has been predicted.

Whatever government he forms will favour men regardless of the sex of the people in the roles . The idea that women reaching the senior ranks of the Tory party is somehow a positive for women is not borne out by history; what did Thatcher or May do for women?
 
Whatever government he forms will favour men regardless of the sex of the people in the roles . The idea that women reaching the senior ranks of the Tory party is somehow a positive for women is not borne out by history; what did Thatcher or May do for women?
Nothing good
 
Whatever government he forms will favour men regardless of the sex of the people in the roles . The idea that women reaching the senior ranks of the Tory party is somehow a positive for women is not borne out by history; what did Thatcher or May do for women?
Very true
 
Whatever government he forms will favour men regardless of the sex of the people in the roles . The idea that women reaching the senior ranks of the Tory party is somehow a positive for women is not borne out by history; what did Thatcher or May do for women?
They did nothing good for women. However, it becomes more and more acceptable for this to happen, whether it's the Tory Party, any other party or my place of work. So yeah, it does matter. Sorry. Women becoming less visible in top jobs matters.
 
Whatever government he forms will favour men regardless of the sex of the people in the roles . The idea that women reaching the senior ranks of the Tory party is somehow a positive for women is not borne out by history; what did Thatcher or May do for women?
what have the queens elizabeth and victoria, between them heads of state for 2/3 of the last 200 years, done for women?
 
They did nothing good for women. However, it becomes more and more acceptable for this to happen, whether it's the Tory Party, any other party or my place of work. So yeah, it does matter. Sorry. Women becoming less visible in top jobs matters.

Absolutely. Which is why I didn't suggest it didn't matter. I just fear that sometimes it's easy for people to ascribe too much importance to the crude figures (perhaps becuase they're one of the easiest things to measure), whereas it's only one part of the overall picture. (Not that I'm suggesting you are doing that.)
 
Whatever government he forms will favour men regardless of the sex of the people in the roles . The idea that women reaching the senior ranks of the Tory party is somehow a positive for women is not borne out by history; what did Thatcher or May do for women?
Didn't do much good for for anybody.

what have the queens elizabeth and victoria, between them heads of state for 2/3 of the last 200 years, done for women?
Well rumour has it Victoria at least kept lesbianism from becoming illegal
 
One of the problems Johnson had in his reshuffle was that all the experienced suitably qualified female tory MP's and ministers took one look at him and the direction of travel and all fucked off at the last election.

Its a problem of his own making for sure but it left him with either very green female mp's or the clueless nutters like Leadsom and Patel. Its not a huge surprise he's chosen a load of men but as I say a problem of his own making.
 
One of the problems Johnson had in his reshuffle was that all the experienced suitably qualified female tory MP's and ministers took one look at him and the direction of travel and all fucked off at the last election.

Its a problem of his own making for sure but it left him with either very green female mp's or the clueless nutters like Leadsom and Patel. Its not a huge surprise he's chosen a load of men but as I say a problem of his own making.
He sacked McVey, though, so every cloud...
 
I didn't catch this thread before but have just seen and read through tonight.

I could write pages and pages on this but I'm so tired of having to explain it all. Everytime you say something about the hostile environment this world is for women, your either being too sensitive or are forced to delve into your own trauma and explain it all as some kind of twisted justification. It's so tiring.

But then that's the point innit. It's that constant pulse of threat and violence that comes from living in a society that sees you as being not quite human. That's the core of what silences us. It's traumatic and poisonous and shit and fucking exhausting. You burn out.

Men don't need to shout women down or be violent or obnoxious to silence women. It's all already there. Shit, I feel like I've been talking to a wall for the past 20 years. I'm knackered.

There's maybe some solutions somewhere and I'd love to talk more about them. If anyone has anything vaguely hopeful I could read that would be very well received right now.

Respect and solidarity for everyone who posted a thoughtful post on this thread btw. I know how much of an ordeal it can be.
 
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I didn't catch this thread before but have just seen and read through tonight.

I could write pages and pages on this but I'm so tired of having to explain it all. Everytime you say something about the hostile environment this world is for women, your either being too sensitive or are forced to delve into your own trauma and explain it all as some kind of twisted justification. It's so tiring.

But then that's the point innit. It's that constant pulse of threat and violence that comes from living in a society that sees you as being not quite human. That's the core of what silences us. It's traumatic and poisonous and shit and fucking exhausting. You burn out.

Men don't need to shout women down or be violent or obnoxious to silence women. It's all already there. Shit, I feel like I've been talking to a wall for the past 20 years. I'm knackered.

There's maybe some solutions somewhere and I'd love to talk more about them. If anyone has anything vaguely hopeful I could read that would be very well received right now.

Respect and solidarity for everyone who posted a thoughtful post on this thread btw. I know how much of an ordeal it can be.
Welcome! Please keep posting.

That was beautifully expressed.

I'm not sure what the solutions are beyond keeping speaking out and sisterly solidarity. We must support each other.
 
I went to a quiz last night at a sports and social club. Not somewhere I’d usually go but there was a big group of people going that my bezzer knew and I love a quiz.
Anyway, it was dreadful. There were several fat jokes aimed at Rebel Wilson, there was a question about page 3 and two comments about the killjoys that got it banned and lots of ‘jokes’ about/at the expense of women.
a cooking question was introduced as one for the ladies. He kept referring to one team as the virgins and said you can tell they’re virgins just by looking at them etc Ha fucking ha.
There was at one point a dodgy accent over a song which I’m fairly sure was very racist.
He kept following awful comments with ‘oh no, we can’t say that any more can we’.

So much of it was about putting women down, patronizing, mocking and out and out attacking us.
I’m angry that he thought this was ok, I’m angry that people seemed to be lapping this shit up and that no-one but me and my bezzer seemed bothered by it. There were 3 tables of professionals who really should know better including the bloke who invited everyone as he’s a regular.
I’m also angry that I did and said nothing beyond moaning with my mate. I should have complained then or walked out or something but I didn’t want to cause a fuss so I just grimaced through it. I knew I’d be in the minority and I couldn’t face it.

I complained today and the manager of the venue said he’d listen in next week and decide if he thinks the content is offensive but basically said he’s sorry I was upset but maybe I have a different sense of humour.


Why is this stuff so hard to tackle. I’ve been questioning if I’m the problem all day since I called the manager. Fucksake.
 
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