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The39thStep you want seriously confused? Gogol Bordello put up a post praising their mate yesterday...
Fascists, Fascism and the Invasion.
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Main rivals being Dynamo Kyiv ultras, White boys club (self explanatory) who formed the Azov battalion.
hitmouse
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New interview may be of interest:
www.3cr.org.au
Author of this book, can't remember if it's come up on here already:
www.routledge.com
Dr Robert Horvath on Putin's Fascists
This week we have a chat with Dr Robert Horvath about his book Putin's Fascists, managed nationalism, and how he came to find himself banned from Russia.
Author of this book, can't remember if it's come up on here already:
Putin's Fascists: Russkii Obraz and the Politics of Managed Nationalism in Russia
The Putin regime and its propagandists have long claimed to be fighting the heirs of Nazi Germany. From its crackdown on domestic dissent to its aggression on the international stage, the Kremlin has regularly smeared its adversaries as fascists and fascist collaborators. Russia's invasion of...
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I think it's been pointed out before but it's interesting that a number of Ukrainian fascists are actually Russian fascists
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
There is a strain of Ukrainian humour that plays up to the Russians describing them all as nazis, one example is naming some of their improvised armoured vehicles (what military types call ‘technicals’) as ‘Banderamobiles’, a term I believe the Russians coined but now widely used by Ukrainians as a sort of self-effacing pisstake.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
In the same ironically piss-taking way they built a huge Bandera Monument in the middle of לעמבערג
Stepan Bandera Monument – Heritage & Memory
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Ukraine’s outspoken ambassador to Germany, a talkshow staple who was central to the public debates that led Berlin to step up weapons deliveries to Kyiv, is facing criticism for defending World War Two Ukrainian nationalist leader Stepan Bandera in an interview.
Reuters reports:
Andriy Melnyk is easily the best known ambassador in Berlin, known for robust social media exchanges in which he condemned as appeasers politicians and intellectuals who opposed arming Ukraine for its fight against Russian invaders.
But an interview with journalist blogger Tilo Jung published on Thursday in which he said Bandera was not a “mass murderer of Poles and Jews” caused uproar and drew condemnation from both the Polish government and the Israeli embassy.
“The statement made by the Ukrainian ambassador is a distortion of the historical facts, belittles the Holocaust and is an insult to those who are murdered by Bandera and his people,” the embassy wrote on Twitter.
Though he spent much of World War Two in a Nazi prison, Bandera headed the radical wing of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists which killed tens of thousands of Polish civilians during the war.
Living in Munich in exile after the war, he was a figurehead of Ukraine’s anti-Soviet insurgency which fought Moscow in partisan actions into the 1950s. He was assassinated by the Soviet KGB in 1959.
Even Ukraine’s foreign ministry distanced itself from Melnyk’s remarks, saying they did not reflect its views. Polish Foreign Minister Zbigniew Rau thanked his Ukrainian counterpart for his intervention over the “false statements.”
Melnyk, 46, has become a central figure in debates over Germany’s obligations to Ukraine, credited with using his pulpit as envoy of a nation fighting foreign invasion to keep up the pressure on Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who despite initial reluctance has kept boosting arms deliveries to Ukraine.
Reuters reports:
Andriy Melnyk is easily the best known ambassador in Berlin, known for robust social media exchanges in which he condemned as appeasers politicians and intellectuals who opposed arming Ukraine for its fight against Russian invaders.
But an interview with journalist blogger Tilo Jung published on Thursday in which he said Bandera was not a “mass murderer of Poles and Jews” caused uproar and drew condemnation from both the Polish government and the Israeli embassy.
“The statement made by the Ukrainian ambassador is a distortion of the historical facts, belittles the Holocaust and is an insult to those who are murdered by Bandera and his people,” the embassy wrote on Twitter.
Though he spent much of World War Two in a Nazi prison, Bandera headed the radical wing of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists which killed tens of thousands of Polish civilians during the war.
Living in Munich in exile after the war, he was a figurehead of Ukraine’s anti-Soviet insurgency which fought Moscow in partisan actions into the 1950s. He was assassinated by the Soviet KGB in 1959.
Even Ukraine’s foreign ministry distanced itself from Melnyk’s remarks, saying they did not reflect its views. Polish Foreign Minister Zbigniew Rau thanked his Ukrainian counterpart for his intervention over the “false statements.”
Melnyk, 46, has become a central figure in debates over Germany’s obligations to Ukraine, credited with using his pulpit as envoy of a nation fighting foreign invasion to keep up the pressure on Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who despite initial reluctance has kept boosting arms deliveries to Ukraine.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
more humour
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The stamp is from 2009. Wake the fuk up though.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
A timeline of Caitlin Johnstone, Jonathan Cook and press TV. Great source
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Very glad that Russia have gone in to denazify Ukraine's post office officials from 2009 though.
DaveCinzano
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It's a matter of perspective. To a philatelist of, say, Sasaferrato's vintage, that's basically a current issue
Sasaferrato
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Feeky chucker!
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Makes no difference when you consider the comments of Ukraine's present ambassador to Germany, quoted in the post above 39th's.
Iirc the man's political allies were in power in 2009 also.
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Oh fuck off you dickhead.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Tell me why it makes a difference then. Bandera fans were evidently in power in 2009 and are in the present Ukrainian governemnt, as is obvious from the stamp and the comments of the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Is that what I said?
Oligarchs, by the way, have also run Ukraine since 1991. The current government is every bit as much in their pockets as their predeccessors.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Really don't get what point you're trying to laboriously trying to make (again) with this post from a shit dodgy politics Twitter account that has less followers than my cat would have if they were on Twitter. Oh, and it turns out the stamps are from 3 years ago.
It really seems like you and sometimes RD2003 are shouting repeatedly about fascists/far right in the Ukrainian government, but for what end are you doing this, and what political difference does it actually make practically? It does sometimes seem like you skating quite close to the likes of Galloway etc. with this and the way you hark on about something that is largely unimportant to the vast bulk of what's going on there.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Well, governments struggle to maintain lines on all sorts of things, as they're a mix of people with some agreement but often different positions on other stuff. But I don't see what actual point or difference it makes to the situation at hand, unless all this pointing the same thing out repeatedly is a way of expressing some element of sympathy with the Russian State's 'anti-Nazification' bollocks which is often how it comes across, hence it winding some people up.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
I think you must realise that nothing we say on here makes any difference at all to the situation at hand. As Pickman's is always saying, these boards are all about every winding everybody else up whether intentionally or otherwise.
For my part, I'm not trying to wind you up, as my experience with (Soviet raised) Ukrainians here who favour the turn towards NATO/EU etc, tells me such people are more than willing to turn a blind eye to the ideologies (and actions) of Bandera and Azov etc, and I presume this is the case within Ukraine. It may not have been the case before they were wound up to take a suicidal confrontational stance towards Russia.
tim
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Racist tosh about simple Ukrainians being led astray.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
You keep saying this, yet nobody here is under the illusion that we're directing the war in any remotely meaningful sense. You seem to know that too. So I think you repeat this or phrases like it in an attempt to distance yourself from the implications of your posts. You say something shit (or quote someone saying something shit with your apparent endorsement), others pick you up on it, and then you try to spin away from that with this kind of insincere self-effacing nonsense.
Most of us have been here for literal years already, we don't need condescending reminders that this forum is purely a talking shop.
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