Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

[DaveCinzano]

im sure theres undercover with necessary post count and you really should never say anything with police implications on the boards

Obligatory three-monthly BOOGIE BOY reminder

 

[Spymaster]

im sure theres undercover with necessary post count ...

Maybe a couple but there's no need to make it easy for the rest of the fuckers.

At the moment anyone with an internet connection can read this and can see all of the counter action stuff that's being posted as well as the impact their own disinformation and actions are having.

 

[Pickman's model]

All this again brings into focus 3 and 4-year prison sentences for discussing a protest that would close a motorway for a bit.

But not rh's 5 I note

 

[moochedit]

Maybe a couple but there's no need to make it easy for the rest of the fuckers.

At the moment anyone with an internet connection can read this and can see all of the counter action stuff that's being posted as well as the impact their own disinformation and actions are having.

Is there anything on here they can't see on fb/twitter though?

 

[Spymaster]

Is there anything on here they can't see on fb/twitter though?

Not the point though. We can't do anything about FB or Twitter.

We can do something about here.

 

[ska invita]

Meh, people just shouldn't post anything sus on the boards, if anything 50 post limit is a false sense of security.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not the point though. We can't do anything about FB or Twitter.

We can do something about here.

Yeh take it to pms or something

 

[andysays]

Not the point though. We can't do anything about FB or Twitter.

We can do something about here.

As far as I can see, pretty much everything that's been posted on this thread is already in the public domain.

But if anyone was thinking of organising an impromptu urban meet up in their local area this evening or later this week, that would be better done by PM.

 

[spitfire]

As far as I can see, pretty much everything that's been posted on this thread is already in the public domain.

But if anyone was thinking of organising an impromptu urban meet up in their local area this evening or later this week, that would be better done by PM.

If that has already happened then I am currently flying solo to Walthamstow so would be good to meet up with some people.

I am definitely not a copper...or a fascist.

 

[Silas Loom]

The post count barrier is effective against individuals who have an unwholesome interest in other individuals. It’s not going to be effective against anyone with a professional (or other organised) interest in tracking the left as a whole.

That said, the chance of anyone considering this site as a worthwhile mechanism for left-stalking is probably a tenth of what it was when BB was collecting names and addresses.

 

[Pickman's model]

The post count barrier is effective against individuals who have an unwholesome interest in other individuals. It’s not going to be effective against anyone with a professional or other organised interest in tracking the left as a whole.

That said, the chance of anyone considering this site as a worthwhile mechanism for left-stalking is probably a tenth of what it was when BB was collecting names and addresses.

Yeh with posters like you there's been a definite rightward shift over the past 7, 8 years

 

[planetgeli]

At the risk of looking stupid in 12 hours...I still think they are 'shit lists' designed to cause the chaos it apparently is causing. The list of mainly solicitors in England - these are not natural targets for demonstrations. I've googled a few. They look more like targets for bricks through the windows at some undefined point - but not all at "8pm Wednesday, arson here".

The Welsh list looks vague. Motorpoint does not look like a great rallying spot (though I don't know Cardiff that well). Swansea "town". Yeah, ok. Aberystwyth on a Monday lunchtime? No. Tenby 'seafront' is vaguely believable.

I think it's designed to cause chaos and it's working.

 

[stoatie]

Stoke Newington Old Fire Station (now migrant centre) on the list too. I'll head up there for the counter-demo, though I'd be surprised if they get many fash- they'd probably have to be bussed in and there are bigger targets they're apparently going for today that aren't so far away. Also it's two minutes from the cop shop. Though this does all look a bit fishy- as planetgeli just said, could well just be a list of "targets" disguised as demonstration details. Seems like if they were serious they'd concentrate their forces, especially in heavily left-wing areas, rather than splitting them between several demos within a few miles of each other.

 

[ska invita]

Yeh take it to pms or something

Just not one with Spymaster in it

 

[Lotte]

My parents volunteer at a foodbank in Chester - I don't know the name - and a lot of its clients are refugees. I'm starting to worry for them now. Hopefully I'm being paranoid - my mum is pretty resilient so she's probably less arsed than I am.

 

[A380]

Pretty much everyone has condemned the riots. But has the head of state, king charles, let his opinion be known?

He doesn’t want to point fingers…

 

[Sue]

Stoke Newington Old Fire Station (now migrant centre) on the list too. I'll head up there for the counter-demo, though I'd be surprised if they get many fash- they'd probably have to be bussed in and there are bigger targets they're apparently going for today that aren't so far away. Also it's two minutes from the cop shop. Though this does all look a bit fishy- as someone upthread said, could well just be a list of "targets" disguised as demonstration details. Seems like if they were serious they'd concentrate their forces, especially in heavily left-wing areas, rather than splitting them between several demos within a few miles of each other.

I also saw something about this. It feels very unlikely that anything will happen there.

 

[Silas Loom]

Just not one with Spymaster in it

The only time that I have ever considered joining a counter demonstration was when some loon was convening a march to complain about the “Jewification” of Golders Green. I started a thread about it. Spymaster was first and most vocal in saying that he would join any counter demo, which didn’t surprise me at all. Why on earth would you want to exclude him from protests against racism?

The march was eventually switched to a less provocative location and may not even have happened.

 

[A380]

With these lists out there it’s going to make conspiracy charges much easier. So much so that in a week or so a load of far right cry babies ( and maybe some of the harder of thinking on here) are going to be banging on about state actors and false flags…

 

[two sheds]

The only time that I have ever considered joining a counter demonstration was when some loon was convening a march to complain about the “Jewification” of Golders Green. I started a thread about it. Spymaster was first and most vocal in saying that he would join any counter demo, which didn’t surprise me at all. Why on earth would you want to exclude him from protests against racism?

I think it was a joke

 

[A380]

The only time that I have ever considered joining a counter demonstration was when some loon was convening a march to complain about the “Jewification” of Golders Green. I started a thread about it. Spymaster was first and most vocal in saying that he would join any counter demo, which didn’t surprise me at all. Why on earth would you want to exclude him from protests against racism? …

Because whilst combating racism is obviously important the main purpose of any organised counter protest is to demonstrate how much better your politics are than everyone else not in your faction…

 

[Silas Loom]

I think it was a joke

Because whilst combating racism is obviously important the main purpose of any organised counter protest is to demonstrate how much better your politics are than everyone else not in your faction…

Either explanation is perfectly plausible.

 

[stoatie]

I also saw something about this. It feels very unlikely that anything will happen there.

Yeah, I tend to agree. It's right round the corner though so I'm gonna check it out.

Also it's super-handy for my local, so if there's nothing doing I'll go for a pint instead.

 

[andrewc]

Updates from court live as rioters sentenced for violent disorder

Liam Riley, Derek Drummond and Declan Geiran are set to learn their fate today

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

The first 3 people involved in the Southport & Liverpool disturbances are being sentenced this morning. Sentencing was brought forward, presumably so these can be used as a warning to others.

 

[zedr]

At the risk of looking stupid in 12 hours...I still think they are 'shit lists' designed to cause the chaos it apparently is causing. The list of mainly solicitors in England - these are not natural targets for demonstrations. I've googled a few. They look more like targets for bricks through the windows at some undefined point - but not all at "8pm Wednesday, arson here".

The Welsh list looks vague. Motorpoint does not look like a great rallying spot (though I don't know Cardiff that well). Swansea "town". Yeah, ok. Aberystwyth on a Monday lunchtime? No. Tenby 'seafront' is vaguely believable.

I think it's designed to cause chaos and it's working.

I'd say it's highly likely that these are shit lists designed to cause chaos. That doesn't mean that it doesn't cause fear into the communities being targeted. It certainly doesn't mean that it's not worthwhile organising counter demos. From what I've seen online there are loads of antifascist mobilisations across the country happening. It's important to get people out onto the street to show solidarity and show the fascists that their bullshit will not be tolerated. It helps build connections amongst antifascists, brings more people into this kind of activity and gets people prepared to mobilise for the future.

The other option seems to be to ignore these now very public lists. I don't think that's really an option any more. (I'm not saying that you're saying this btw).

 

[ska invita]

The only time that I have ever considered joining a counter demonstration was when some loon was convening a march to complain about the “Jewification” of Golders Green. I started a thread about it. Spymaster was first and most vocal in saying that he would join any counter demo, which didn’t surprise me at all. Why on earth would you want to exclude him from protests against racism?

The march was eventually switched to a less provocative location and may not even have happened.

Every offensive thing he has endlessly posted on these boards, his username, his always being there to gather email addresses on PM chats, his many house visits to loads of urbs, sorry but if we're talking about being careful online I'll give him a wide berth thanks, best to be cautious. Suggest everyone always remains over cautious.l if they have need .

If anything his suggestion just encourages people to post information that can be used by police.

 

[ska invita]

I think it was a joke

Not this time

 

[Silas Loom]

Every offensive thing he has endlessly posted on these boards, his username, his always being there to gather email addresses on PM chats, his many house visits to loads of urbs, sorry but if we're talking about being careful online I'll give him a wide berth thanks, best to be cautious. Suggest everyone always remains over cautious.l if they have need .

If anything his suggestion just encourages people to post information that can be used by police.

Score 1 to A380, score 0 to two sheds, and what a fucking shame.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I had been thinking the planned protests for today were going to be a bit of damp squib.

But in their wisdom the media seems to be reporting it heavily, which could well increase turnout for them.

If I was the fash I'd be dropping all of the editors of the national and regional newspapers a 'thank you' for blasting their 'planned events' across the media. Gullable idiots on twitter etc the same.

Some of these mobilisations, like the risible claim that they were going to show in Small Heath on Monday are just fantasy. Some seem designed to bring anti fascists/minority groups onto the streets presumably to tie up police resources/wrong foot counter protests/spark trouble that they can use on SM as evidence of 'two tier policing'. Some might even happen organically - without the need for any far right resources - thanks to the free publicity as locals turn up for the row.

In all the talk of state led SM bans, calls to bring the army onto the streets, the 'full force of the law', ban Twitter etc nobody has asked whether or not its wise to freely/hysterically publicise this stuff. It isn't. I'm always bemused why and how any balloon can post details of an event and its just spread everywhere by the press and those supposedly opposed to the fash.

 

[planetgeli]

his username,

Oh ffs honestly Ska, catch a hold of yourself.