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Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

Sorry everyone but I just don't have the time to read through this fast-flowing thread to find out, but a mate just posted these on FB - anyone know where they come from and if the info is true?
 

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Sorry everyone but I just don't have the time to read through this fast-flowing thread to find out, but a mate just posted these on FB - anyone know where they come from and if the info is true?
Covered earlier, almost certainly bollocks. Many of them are simple office spaces. It's either deliberate misinformation on their intentions or a splash list (throw shit around, see if any sticks).
 
Could also likely be a harder life lived with less luxuries
It's absolutely this. Just as middle and upper class people have that glow of health that comes from always having enough really good food, enough money to heat the house in cold weather and not have to worry about paying bills, and taking regular holidays, working class people look older, rougher, suffer with more illnesses and conditions brought about directly by being poorer, more pressured, with shittier working conditions.
 
Covered earlier, almost certainly bollocks. Many of them are simple office spaces. It's either deliberate misinformation on their intentions or a splash list (throw shit around, see if any sticks).

It’s specifically aimed at provoking Bordelsey-type situations (hence the large city locations) which can be portrayed as Muslim riots and feed into the two-tier narrative.
 
It's absolutely this. Just as middle and upper class people have that glow of health that comes from always having enough really good food, enough money to heat the house in cold weather and not have to worry about paying bills, and taking regular holidays, working class people look older, rougher, suffer with more illnesses and conditions brought about directly by being poorer, more pressured, with shittier working conditions.

A bit like working class Koreans from the DPRK compared to their counterparts in the South. Daily pressure, stress, bouts of hunger and fear of the future can't be good for the body and mind.
 
The BBC have named a couple of people today that they've identified with FR software.

John Honey and Connor Londesborough.


There must be about a hundred or so identified by posters on Twitter tbh. . Honey was identified very early by someone on there, not least as he had his mug, and his distinctive St George Flag shirt, all over the internet in photos and videos looting about five shops, an attack on a car and other crimes. He has previous convictions including handing in a load of knives at a police station saying he “get rid of Europeans.” His defence was that he suffers from extreme autism. Allegedly joined Patriotic Alternative last year.


 
Could also likely be a harder life lived with less luxuries

Running around sweating like a fucker as you shout at people and get a rush of adrenaline from punting a bin at the police adds years to how you look.

I’m sure they look very different when not in a riot
 
Whats wrong with her? I dont follow YT drama and I'm more a centre left progressive, so dunno if shes pissed people off and it went over my head.
There are some ,who like 'anti Tory' women who swear a bit and use the word cockwomble and there are others who object to a landlord running a financial business on social media platforms selling videos of an 'anti tory ' woman who swears a bit and uses the word 'cockwomble'. Some might think that its ok for an 'anti-Tory' woman to indulge in conspiracy theories about 9/11 and to have photographs of her and a mate with Hitler moustaches and T shirt with I love Hitler 'as a joke' at a music festival and others don't. All a matter of what anti tory means for middle-aged centrist blokes, which is her main audience, I suppose. She's a grifter which some people try and ignore.
 
I disagree with planetgeli, those targets are out there and if people act on them, and the action suggests smashing and burning, then they will. The fact the list is so wide spread means it's"real,". .... It's decentred action and people may well act on one or more of these.
Ah okay. Thank you.
 
I disagree with planetgeli, those targets are out there and if people act on them, and the action suggests smashing and burning, then they will. The fact the list is so wide spread means it's"real,". .... It's decentred action and people may well act on one or more of these.

The targets are out there regardless of a list compiled by someone who has googled "immigration help". Calling for a pogrom in the middle of a large city is one thing. Saying there are 27 different targets all to hit on the same night at the same time when you can barely get 50 people out in some small towns?

Ok. We'll see.
 
I disagree with planetgeli, those targets are out there and if people act on them, and the action suggests smashing and burning, then they will. The fact the list is so wide spread means it's"real,". .... It's decentred action and people may well act on one or more of these.
Its had an effect though. Various places who do immigration advice and other refugee related support have told staff to work from home. We were supposed to be taking some of the guys from the hotle in leeds out on a trip to the countryside but it got cancelled. I dont agree with this at all - its giving the cunts what they want. And they dont have the numbers to carry out widesprad intimidation of this number of places - which also tend to be in very culturally diverse areas - so harldly likelty to go unchallenged.
My sense/hope is that this has peaked - that a lot of the most aggro of them are in the process of getting arrested. I dont belive that there they will inspire greater numbers of the general public to join in with the pogroms and street fascism - more the opposite in that it will mobilse anti fascist resistance. However - organsiations will take a safety first/arse covering approach rather and give in to these sort of exagerrrated threats.
(however i defeintiely think a lot of these places will get a big up tick in online and telephone based harassment)
 
The targets are out there regardless of a list compiled by someone who has googled "immigration help". Calling for a pogrom in the middle of a large city is one thing. Saying there are 27 different targets all to hit on the same night at the same time when you can barely get 50 people out in some small towns?

Ok. We'll see.
I agree that they most likely won't all be targeted, but from the fash point of view that isn't necessarily a problem.

Because it's unpredictable, effort will likely go into defending them all, which means anti fash forces will be spread more thinly, and there's also the chance of conflict with the police.
 
Its had an effect though. Various places who do immigration advice and other refugee related support have told staff to work from home. We were supposed to be taking some of the guys from the hotle in leeds out on a trip to the countryside but it got cancelled. I dont agree with this at all - its giving the cunts what they want. And they dont have the numbers to carry out widesprad intimidation of this number of places - which also tend to be in very culturally diverse areas - so harldly likelty to go unchallenged.
My sense/hope is that this has peaked - that a lot of the most aggro of them are in the process of getting arrested. I dont belive that there they will inspire greater numbers of the general public to join in with the pogroms and street fascism - more the opposite in that it will mobilse anti fascist resistance. However - organsiations will take a safety first/arse covering approach rather and give in to these sort of exagerrrated threats.
(however i defeintiely think a lot of these places will get a big up tick in online and telephone based harassment)
Tbh you don't need many people to target places wherever they are and may be done by one person with ease, some obvious low risk means leap to mind. E2a any targeting may happen now or in the future
 
Its had an effect though. Various places who do immigration advice and other refugee related support have told staff to work from home. We were supposed to be taking some of the guys from the hotle in leeds out on a trip to the countryside but it got cancelled. I dont agree with this at all - its giving the cunts what they want. And they dont have the numbers to carry out widesprad intimidation of this number of places - which also tend to be in very culturally diverse areas - so harldly likelty to go unchallenged.
My sense/hope is that this has peaked - that a lot of the most aggro of them are in the process of getting arrested. I dont belive that there they will inspire greater numbers of the general public to join in with the pogroms and street fascism - more the opposite in that it will mobilse anti fascist resistance. However - organsiations will take a safety first/arse covering approach rather and give in to these sort of exagerrrated threats.
(however i defeintiely think a lot of these places will get a big up tick in online and telephone based harassment)
The worry about them being sent down is a possibly a similar martyrdom afforded to them by the far right demagogues online. Like the January 6th crowd have since become with the likes of Trump praising them.

Obviously the UK isn't the US, but I don't believe that the likes of SYL will not try to capitalise on their incarcerations...
 
It's absolutely this. Just as middle and upper class people have that glow of health that comes from always having enough really good food, enough money to heat the house in cold weather and not have to worry about paying bills, and taking regular holidays, working class people look older, rougher, suffer with more illnesses and conditions brought about directly by being poorer, more pressured, with shittier working conditions.
Well said, and a useful counter to the casual classism displayed by a few posters/ memes shared in this thread.

We may despise the racism and hated of their chosen political beliefs, but the rioters do predominantly look like members of our class that have suffered multiple deprivations including health and education.
 
BBCs Shayan Sardarizadeh:

Shayan Sardarizadeh @Shayan86
An extreme Telegram group chat with 15,000 members, that was set up in the aftermath of the Southport killings and was influential in publicising local protests, was banned by Telegram last night after a series of violent threats were posted in it.

A new one has now been set up.

10:08 AM · Aug 6, 2024
 
The worry about them being sent down is a possibly a similar martyrdom afforded to them by the far right demagogues online.

Then they should be given every assistance to martyr themselves for as long as possible.

I think it's bollocks anyway. It's like a last bit of totally sterile defiance as someone gets sent down

"We're martyrs!" but in reality their pants are full of shit and nobody really thinks that.
 
Well said, and a useful counter to the casual classism displayed by a few posters/ memes shared in this thread.

We may despise the racism and hated of their chosen political beliefs, but the rioters do predominantly look like members of our class that have suffered multiple deprivations including health and education.
I had a go at people on FB sharing fucking 'Greggs/steak bake' classist 'jokes'. Fucks me right off does that.
 
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