Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

[Wookey]

In the news, the Guardian reports today that No 10 said work was taking place to impress upon social media companies that they already had a duty to remove criminal content.

“The government is working with social media platforms to ensure that they are removing content quickly [and] that their processes are in place, but there is more that they can and should be doing,” the spokesperson said.

“They have a responsibility to ensure the safety of their users and online spaces, to ensure that criminal activity is not being hosted on their platforms. They shouldn’t be waiting for the Online Safety Act for that. They already have responsibilities in place under the law … They have responsibilities that we will hold them to account for.”

The technology secretary, Peter Kyle, is expected to meet social media bosses in the coming days, the spokesperson said.

No 10 criticises Elon Musk for ‘civil war is inevitable’ post on England riots

PM’s spokesperson says ‘no justification’ for X owner’s comment under video of far-right disorder

www.theguardian.com

 

[cesare]

Blast from the past. Looks like they're all off to Borstal Ministers prepare extra 500 prison places to remand suspected rioters

That's a blast from the past! Borstal and Ccokham Wood!

Repurposed?

Who's going to be incarcerated here?

 

[YouSir]

This is a discussion site. If I want news, honestly I'll go to a news site.

And for someone who isn't wearing a mod's badge, you're doing some heavy editorial lifting here, and it's not even your thread.

These events have all been started by the misuse of social media, the crimes are being organised using social media, riots are being advertised on social media, and the owner of the largest of these brands is now predicting a race-based civil war in my country. On social media.

It's not a nerds discussion, it's integral to understanding, and potentially avoiding the worst effects of the very vehicle that has been used to trigger and perpetuate the shitshow we're seeing.

I don't need to say anything more about it, but I won't be told not to say anything about, by a self-appointed tidy-upperer.

There might be other discussions to be had of course. That's great. Nobody is about to run out of ink.

Whatever, it was my opinion, that's all.

 

[cesare]

In the news, the Guardian reports today that No 10 said work was taking place to impress upon social media companies that they already had a duty to remove criminal content.

“The government is working with social media platforms to ensure that they are removing content quickly [and] that their processes are in place, but there is more that they can and should be doing,” the spokesperson said.

“They have a responsibility to ensure the safety of their users and online spaces, to ensure that criminal activity is not being hosted on their platforms. They shouldn’t be waiting for the Online Safety Act for that. They already have responsibilities in place under the law … They have responsibilities that we will hold them to account for.”

The technology secretary, Peter Kyle, is expected to meet social media bosses in the coming days, the spokesperson said.

No 10 criticises Elon Musk for ‘civil war is inevitable’ post on England riots

PM’s spokesperson says ‘no justification’ for X owner’s comment under video of far-right disorder

www.theguardian.com

Not understanding why anyone would spend time on Musk tbh. Ignore.

 

[Ming]

I think the fash chose the wrong weekend to go to Blackpool. I used to go to Rebellion pretty much every year when I was in the UK.

 

[Lurdan]

Piece in the Times today

Rogues’ gallery of figures fanning the flames of violence - Times (archived)

Interesting graphic at the top of it illustrating the Times view of the spectrum of rogues

Obviously a complete failure to understand that the prime responsibility lies with Elon Musk and Kier Starmer.

Sad.

 

[redsquirrel]

I hear you, but I am honestly not sure whether it would be best to try to reassure anyone that we're all on the same side really, or this is why we can't get our shit together and welcome to anti-capitalist/leftie factionalism.

There is a political split between an anti-fascism that is based on class struggle and a liberal opposition to the hard right (or anti-extremism), which means that the political responses will be different - and sometimes in conflict. That's not factionalism or ideological purity it is a recognition of the different politics. If one sees this as a three-way fight, then we are not all on the same side.

Three Way Fight - Against Fascism. Against the State. For a Free Humanity!

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I'm not going to necessarily refuse to work with liberal forces, there may be opportunities where tactics align. But the nature of class struggle means that much of the time there is going to be a clash between socialists and liberals, the role of the state being one obvious battlefield. Hence disagreements over Hope Not Hate, direct action, the empowering of the state, etc.

 

[Agrippa57]

My hand's up.for.keeping the thread content to the thread title. Anyone agree?

I started the thread, and I certainly agree. However, some drift is always inevitable and unavoidable. But it would be nice to stick at least to the spirit of the thread title. Thanks, all.

 

[BigMoaner]

Piece in the Times today

Rogues’ gallery of figures fanning the flames of violence - Times (archived)

Interesting graphic at the top of it illustrating the Times view of the spectrum of rogues

Obviously a complete failure to understand that the prime responsibility lies with Elon Musk and Kier Starmer.

Sad.

They definitely needed the Elon Musk bonus pack in that line up. Still far more complex than them ghouls anyway. “Labour in power” is another one. They won’t give an inch now for the next new years, droning on and on about the same old shit.

 

[nogojones]

aye with the news reporting of the last few days with the police and media mentioning counter protesters facing off against the fash


believe it more likely non fash protesters are going to take the full force of the police response when it finally comes down to it

I can fully see a lot of "both sides" bullshit coming out. All the crap about 2 tier policing us being pushed by twats like Sky.

Looking at some of the early busts and pics of who's been taken down, there's a good number of POC in those busts. Because that's who the cops like busting.

 

[nogojones]

Right into the hands of the cops

I do miss a bin race

 

[kenny g]

Not at all, pirate radio ever promoted the fash, in fact the opposite.

* with the exception of Radio Enoch, but that was short-lived.

Radio Caroline supported the Tories in the 1970s. In any case, my point being that if you don't believe in state control of the airwaves it would be consistent to not support state interference in social media.

 

[Elpenor]

Moving back to Plymouth last night, I don’t remember this violence when a white Plymouth born and bred person shot and murdered five people including a three year old girl just three years ago.

 

[emanymton]

I can fully see a lot of "both sides" bullshit coming out. All the crap about 2 tier policing us being pushed by twats like Sky.

Looking at some of the early busts and pics of who's been taken down, there's a good number of POC's in those busts. Because that's who the cops like busting.

Exactly people keep giving figures for the numbers arrested. I want to know how many of them are actual far right and how many were from counter protests, or just people who got caught up in shit.

 

[teqniq]

Asylum seeker at targeted Holiday Inn 'thought he would die'

He says asylum seekers "ran upstairs," as violent disorder took place outside the Holiday Inn Express.

www.bbc.co.uk

Aaaaaand they actually asked him this:



Fucking awful, what passes for journalism at the BBC

 

[cupid_stunt]

You clearly haven't a fucking clue what Musk is doing, just fuck off.

I am putting you on ignore until you do.

I apologise to Epona for this post, I am just so angry about this whole situation, and how Musk is directly using one of the most powerful SM sites to fuel it, but I see there a separate thread on the subject now, something I was intending to start myself this morning, so thanks to YouSir for getting there first.

 

[Pickman's model]

Asylum seeker at targeted Holiday Inn 'thought he would die'

He says asylum seekers "ran upstairs," as violent disorder took place outside the Holiday Inn Express.

www.bbc.co.uk

Aaaaaand they actually asked him this:

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Fucking awful, what passes for journalism at the BBC

Tbh journalism across all platforms is generally abysmal

 

[albionism]

Do they actually think Anarchists are going to join in with their Nazi bullshit?

 

[Pickman's model]

Right into the hands of the cops

A former urb did something very similar - tho sans bin - in Croydon some years back.

 

[Pickman's model]

Do they actually think Anarchists are going to join in with their Nazi bullshit?
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I think that was supposed to be a nod to v for vendetta as suggested by the mask, which I feel is not devoid of significance. So there's some confusion there.

 

[Pickman's model]

Do they actually think Anarchists are going to join in with their Nazi bullshit?
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Man in black vest might as well not have bothered with a mask

 

[TopCat]

So, facial recognition.

 

[Spymaster]

So, facial recognition.

The BBC have named a couple of people today that they've identified with FR software.

John Honey and Connor Londesborough.

How Eastern European men in a BMW were attacked during violence in Hull

Footage of an angry crowd swarming around a car and targeting its occupants is analysed by BBC Verify.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Pickman's model]

So, facial recognition.

What's surprised me is the absence in many ways of strategic or tactical thinking among the rioters. I would have thought they'd seek to blind the response by attacking cctv cameras - that's been part of the rw repertoire over the past year through attacks on ulez cameras. Some of them might have taken things up a level by targeting local authority control rooms, whose location is often either public knowledge or can be inferred.

As for fr, that relies as shammer's plan has been outlined on intelligence in advance of disorder. The Roger Hallams and Paul Goldings of this world would fall foul of it. But many of the people out the past week wouldn't.

While the filming and sharing of anything can be and is done in even the stupidest of scenarios, future rioters may have more discipline and either remonstrate with or assault people filming them. We know from as far back as Jill dando's murder that the cops can identify phones used in a certain area. The basic absence of burners in this country means people with contracts will be using their phones on demos and riots. It'll be a piece of piss then for the authorities to get names and addresses for many people in the vicinity of a riot,whether to haul them in front of a court or demand evidence from them. When something like 1981 or 2011 happens again, some at least of those involved will think ahead and act against people filming, while organised groups - be they affinity groups or actual organisations - might consider spreading awareness of the consequences of filming before anything happens. This might be by word of mouth to people on estates or posters, leaflets, articles and social media posts.

We may continue as we are, or people involved in disorder may become more clued up

 

[A380]

 

[existentialist]

Whats wrong with her? I dont follow YT drama and I'm more a centre left progressive, so dunno if shes pissed people off and it went over my head.

Yeah, I'm a Supertanskii fan. I have no idea of the nuances of her politics (and, TBH, I'm not much fussed), but she combines a nice line in ranty invective with opinions which seem to largely fit my point of view.

 

[teqniq]

The BBC have named a couple of people today that they've identified with FR software.

John Honey and Connor Londesborough.

How Eastern European men in a BMW were attacked during violence in Hull

Footage of an angry crowd swarming around a car and targeting its occupants is analysed by BBC Verify.

www.bbc.co.uk

John Honey's face is posted all over Twitter and I suspect that may have been instrumental in his arrest. Images include him quite clearly looting an 02 shop, a Lush shop and jumping on the bonnet of the BMW. Absolutely zero sympathy. Amazingly he is apparently only 25 years old:

 

[BigMoaner]

So they’ve found prison spaces? meant many current inmates got a welcome “your going home” visit from a screw

Asylum seeker at targeted Holiday Inn 'thought he would die'

He says asylum seekers "ran upstairs," as violent disorder took place outside the Holiday Inn Express.

www.bbc.co.uk

Aaaaaand they actually asked him this:

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Fucking awful, what passes for journalism at the BBC

Horrible.

 

[Elpenor]

So they’ve found prison spaces? meant many current inmates got a welcome “your going home” visit from a screw?

M

Horrible.

Dartmoor prison has just been completely emptied too due to radon leaks, likely to close permanently I believe.

 

[krtek a houby]

John Honey's face is posted all over Twitter and I suspect that may have been instrumental in his arrest. Images include him quite clearly looting an 02 shop, a Lush shop and jumping on the bonnet of the BMW. Absolutely zero sympathy. Amazingly he is apparently only 25 years old:

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Have noticed that Mr. Bricked Bollocks looked older than his actual age, also.