Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

[Wookey]

They were burning books in Liverpool last night. Which we've all seen pictures of before. Just in black and white.

Shops looted and library torched as 'sickening' violence erupts in Liverpool

Police said 23 arrests were made in connection to the disorder which involved more than 300 people

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

 

[dshl]

I think this goes beyond fascism and militant racism. It's part of a problem of widespread casual racism, even by those who don't even consider themselves to racist or prejudicial views.

I know this older guy who would complain about a Brazilian family a few doors up who were "antisocial". They'd have summer parties in their garden with food, music, and dancing until quite late. About midnight.

The music was Brazilian, the food smelt "different" and he would always go on about how "thats not how we do things here, they don't understand how we behave".

Admittedly noise pollution can be irritating, but they weren't that bad. He had never discussed it with them either, just complaining to neighbours about them.

The irony however, is that a few doors up on the other side were this really chavy family who would have relentless parties throughout the summer. The music was so loud that it made the house vibrate and these could literally go on all night. They'd be pissed up, loud, roudy and often spill over into fights on the street.

Their garden was also full of dog shit.

They were disruptive and an utter pain in the arse.

Barely a pip, occasionally he said something like "oh, they went on all night didnt they
We got to sleep eventually", as if it was off the shoulder. But the Brazilian family were a real problem for him.

I agree that it's not the thug with the brick that really matters, it's the wider perceptions of millions who say things like I don't condone the violence but I understand the frustrations right now. And things like: We told you! This situation is your fault. [the left] You don't listen. What did you think was going to happen?

I think it's also pointless and stupidely condescending to lecture literally millions and millions of people up and down the country about their opinions and perspective. The crux of it is that this is not happening because of Brazillians and their music as you describe. This is happening because there are serious things that both the left and the right hate like knifing and violent street crime, housing skyrocketing, no doctor appointments, inflation and poverty, etc., etc. yet they are more willing to view the targetting of specific groups as providing a solution and feel that 'stats, numbers and averages' support them in this view, but we find that route abhorent, unwise, uncritical, misguided with chilling historical precedents, and therefore we rightly believe that so many innocent people will get horribly caught up in such group targeting.

I believe the only way out of this is for everybody to see that more unifying and healthy solutions *do and *are actually providing solutions to the problems most of us face in Britain. I believe, ultimately, solutions to problems that affect peoples' everyday lives is more powerful than ideology and you will get the bulk of this country on board and defuse situations like this.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Ah, I see - let them riot unhindered, we don't want to risk harming them they're just a mob intent on murder.

Once they get used they are used on violent and non-violent protestors alike and even careful use would end up with injury just from sheer statistical probability of something going wrong


The BLM and George Floyd protests have seen multiple injuries and deaths from these rounds

 

[barlimo]

of course not - Palestinians are Arabs and barely humans in the racist hierarchy

And they don't have any lobbies, money, or resources.

 

[lengualo]

Nothing to feel lame about hope your friends are okay.


Sorry but can you not use the word Chav.

It's a damaging word that is used when othering people from poorer communities and I detest it after being labelled it very many times.

I agree with most of your post.

Aye, sorry. Normalised language dies hard sometimes, my appologies.

 

[DotCommunist]

PCCs are a fucking joke anyway. Most get elected on a miniscule turn out that makes the recent general election turnout look gargantuan.

I normally welcome more democracy but this is just some know-nothing laura norder sorts hiving off 80k of the local policing budget on a turnout of 12% then coming out with crap like the recently deleted statement . Get rid imo.

 

[Silas Loom]

I wonder if the people behind this have pressed the start button too early.

Without going to conspiraloon it does seem there is some organisation behind this. Seems likely whoever (ex BNP, Putin, tech bros, Israeli right, lizzards whoever) had a plan for this following a terrorist attack. They thought Stockport was that, sent the balloon up and now aren’t getting the much wider support they were planning for ?

Nah. Too conspiraloon. It’s summertime and prime rioting season. A Labour government has got in, and the extreme right are antsy.

It’s not a one-shot conspiracy which someone was waiting carefully to trigger, just an accident kicked off by stupidity, prejudice and horror at Southport, and then monstrously exacerbated by the disinformation networks (some organic, some maintained by hostile states) that are permanently embedded in UK online discourse (although greatly aided in the last year by Musk letting high-profile fascists back on Twitter) and are always available to social disruptors.

 

[BristolEcho]

Aye, sorry. Normalised language dies hard sometimes, my appologies.

No problem. Thanks for understanding! I was young at the peak of the chav stuff and it took me ages to understand the impact it actually has so I try to raise it if I see it. And yes I use words I overlook sometimes so definitely guilty too.

 

[Skinny Ethel]

Upsetting coverage of thugs outside a holiday inn rotherham area on youtube. Disgraceful and frightening.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Nothing to feel lame about hope your friends are okay.


Sorry but can you not use the word Chav.

It's a damaging word that is used when othering people from poorer communities and I detest it after being labelled it very many times.

I agree with most of your post.

Nice polite reply to one of our new friends from AVF, who is sound, and a committed anti-racist, just settling in here.

 

[two sheds]

with exemplary apology and reply

 

[Elpenor]

I normally welcome more democracy but this is just some know-nothing laura norder sorts hiving off 80k of the local policing budget on a turnout of 12% then coming out with crap like the recently deleted statement . Get rid imo.

Seems to be a meal ticket for politicians too awful to be a Tory MP

 

[Silas Loom]

Seems to be a meal ticket for politicians too awful to be a Tory MP

Too crap to be trusted with any important council jobs. The sort of people who would be sidelined onto the police authority, in fact.

 

[stoatie]

The little grifting scumbag still promoting this stuff (here something forthcoming in the West Country, for those asking earlier on the thread) : View attachment 436519

I grew up in Yeovil, don't go back there very often but unless it's changed a lot I could see that getting nasty. In the 80s it was pretty nasty without even needing race riots. A lot of very violent people.

 

[cyberfairy]

Upsetting coverage of thugs outside a holiday inn rotherham area on youtube. Disgraceful and frightening.

 

[cyberfairy]

The crowd in Lancaster today bayed outside a hotel that used to house some asylum seekers several months ago.

 

[stoatie]

Nah. Too conspiraloon. It’s summertime and prime rioting season. A Labour government has got in, and the extreme right are antsy.

It’s not a one-shot conspiracy which someone was waiting carefully to trigger, just an accident kicked off by stupidity, prejudice and horror at Southport, and then monstrously exacerbated by the disinformation networks (some organic, some maintained by hostile states) that are permanently embedded in UK online discourse (although greatly aided in the last year by Musk letting high-profile fascists back on Twitter) and are always available to social disruptors.

Any "conspiracy" involved was basically just in setting the stage for this, or something like this. Which, yes, Musk/Putin/Braverman/Farage etc have been complicit in. If you stack up enough dry wood, sooner or later a spark's gonna blow by. They created the environment and just sat back and waited for something to happen.

Now, if I was gonna get proper tinfoil-behatted, I'd say Sunak bailed because he knew something like this was inevitable and it would destroy the Tories. Problem with that theory is that the Tories had already destroyed themselves.

 

[Sue]

Yeh if you know nothing about history, about orgreave, about the poll tax riot, about Hyde park 94, about welling - the unity demo, about the kettling at Oxford circus, about the student demos and so on then yeh you might have a point. But there are so many times that the police have attacked peaceful demonstrators that you look utterly naive

And more recently, let's not forget this:

Anger Churns Over Police Tactics at Sarah Everard Vigil in London (Published 2021)

Protesters were grappled by officers trying to break up the gathering, which had been called to denounce violence against women and to mourn the 33-year-old who was killed this month.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Yata]

theyve broken into the holiday inn at rotherham it seems like?? can anyone confirm ?? FFS

 

[Orang Utan]

They were burning books in Liverpool last night. Which we've all seen pictures of before. Just in black and white.

Shops looted and library torched as 'sickening' violence erupts in Liverpool

Police said 23 arrests were made in connection to the disorder which involved more than 300 people

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

fucking hell. think i need to turn off the news for a bit

 

[Wilf]

And more recently, let's not forget this:

Anger Churns Over Police Tactics at Sarah Everard Vigil in London (Published 2021)

Protesters were grappled by officers trying to break up the gathering, which had been called to denounce violence against women and to mourn the 33-year-old who was killed this month.

www.nytimes.com

Yeah, a reminder for those suggesting we just 'leave it to the cops' when it comes to opposing the fash.

 

[Wilf]

theyve broken into the holiday inn at rotherham it seems like?? can anyone confirm ?? FFS

As is this.

 

[Yata]

As is this.

they were standing off to the side of the broken glass doors instead of infront of them

 

[ddraig]

Has the stuff that has happened this weekend (so far) changed your mind ElizabethofYork Silas Loom on the need for counter protests and defending communities ?
thanks

 

[YouSir]

theyve broken into the holiday inn at rotherham it seems like?? can anyone confirm ?? FFS

Nearly an hour ago so not judging anything. If they have gotten in those police have completely failed to do their jobs. Fucking grim.

 

[danny la rouge]

And they don't have any lobbies, money, or resources.

Can you just not?

 

[Skinny Ethel]

Somebody is going to get murdered sooner or later. Not sure how but this needs to end before that happens. Loudmouth shit stirrers need arresting asap no matter who they are and charged with inciting violence etc.

 

[bris]

A new photo has turned up of the riot here in Sunderland on Friday.

 

[Wilf]

Has the stuff that has happened this weekend (so far) changed your mind ElizabethofYork Silas Loom on the need for counter protests and defending communities ?
thanks

Yeah, I'm not usually one for pursuing posters but, fucking hell, if you ever had a moment to say 'no, fuck you've really got this wrong', well, here we are.

 

[Sue]

Bloody hell! Talk like that would guarantee you an immediate ban on AVF. I'm almost shocked to hear such an outright view. We have to tiptoe on eggshells on AVF these days.

Digging into some of the older politics threads may well blow your mind.