Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

[Elpenor]

Not the recent ones perhaps but sure many of us recall the ones in 2008/9 that did

The recent ones were the ones I were thinking of, my memory does not go back that far

 

[Spymaster]

I do not believe the press is reporting the scale of what has happened accurately, nor will every incident be reported to the police, for numerous reasons
(Nor is everything on twitter)

I very much doubt there's any rioting going on that hasn't been reported somewhere.

I wonder if it is just different in London because there are POC everywhere?

Whereas in Bristol for example it is still very segregated. Most POC live in the urban areas as opposed to the rural areas.

I'm constantly surprised at my colleagues that have no experience of the inner city aside from almost in a tourist sense....and only experience POC at work. These are people that have never grown up or lived amongst POC. This is a very different experience from growing up in London.

I don't have to go very far- like a couple of miles up the road to be subjected to a completely different attitude- little Britain.

Bristol is a radical bubble, mostly concentrated around the centre and within that I live in a even more radical and alternative bubble ( East Bristol) where really I feel quite safe and rooted.

I love Bristol deeply, however growing up in London then coming to Bristol I was always very aware of the difference in the demographic and ignorance compared to London.

Quite possibly, although would the prevalence of POC make London more or less of a target?

I think it's also likely that the manpower and resources of the Met is making the scum seek what they perceive as softer targets.

 

[Dogsauce]

My fear is there will be solo attacks on shops, mosques, individuals. It doesn’t need a mob for this sort of stuff, and is hard to protect against. EDL used to do graffiti attacks, leaving pigs heads on steps etc, and it could escalate to more serious harm given the violence seen this week.

 

[kenny g]

I can see rubber bullets being dusted off.

Exceptionally unlikely. More use of dogs, batons and early morning arrests is likely. 24 hour courts and long sentences.

 

[Pickman's model]

I can see rubber bullets being dusted off.

Time for a trip to specsavers

 

[Pickman's model]

My fear is there will be solo attacks on shops, mosques, individuals. It doesn’t need a mob for this sort of stuff, and is hard to protect against. EDL used to do graffiti attacks, leaving pigs heads on steps etc, and it could escalate to more serious harm given the violence seen this week.

A greater fear perhaps might be the responses of people who've found eg a mosque draped in bacon - surely a large part of the motivation of the fash incursions is provocation

 

[Spymaster]

More use of dogs, batons and early morning arrests is likely. 24 hour courts and long sentences.

 

[ska invita]

My fear is there will be solo attacks on shops, mosques, individuals. It doesn’t need a mob for this sort of stuff, and is hard to protect against. EDL used to do graffiti attacks, leaving pigs heads on steps etc, and it could escalate to more serious harm given the violence seen this week.

Yes, it's out there now as acceptable behaviour... Decentralised affinity group style.... That will bubble along until the next flash point call out... It will continue to grow via social media and social interactions.

 

[Dogsauce]

I doubt this lot will do prisoner solidarity very well, they’re a bit ‘every man for himself’. The bigger names will play the martyr for grift, ‘political prisoners’, but nobody will have the back of the everyday brick-chuckers. But fuck them anyway.

 

[cupid_stunt]

One long term consideration is the potential opportunities involving Reform . There were some rumours that TR's organising committee had tried to reach out to Farage to speak at their rally and that he had declined. Reform especially the opportunist Farage will want to get something out of this, not from the sharp end ( Farage in UKIP actually had some sort of line on excluding fascists from membership) but from the softer elements and below.

It was when Henry Bolton became leader of UKIP, forged closer links with TR, then appointed him as an adviser. that Farage and others resigned from UKIP, and set-up Brexit/Reform instead.

Farage may share many of Robinson's views, but he wants to keep clear blue water between Reform and the street thugs.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

I very much doubt there's any rioting going on that hasn't been reported somewhere.

Trouble is the news doesn't show how grim some of the violence was. I watched ch4 news last night and they played some edited clips of stuff posted on this thread. Anyone seeing only that might just think minor scuffles rather than proper beatings.

 

[Elpenor]

My fear is there will be solo attacks on shops, mosques, individuals. It doesn’t need a mob for this sort of stuff, and is hard to protect against. EDL used to do graffiti attacks, leaving pigs heads on steps etc, and it could escalate to more serious harm given the violence seen this week.

If there are three far right mobs going against three mosques in the same area but different towns, have the police got the numbers? Hopefully the fascists don’t either

I’d imagine any copper who is public order trained is having their leave cancelled, and probably working long shifts.

We could do with rain

 

[ska invita]

I very much doubt there's any rioting going on that hasn't been reported somewhere

It's not about rioting it's about racist attacks, on people and on property. This already happens daily without being reported by press or to police necessarily

 

[tim]

When I saw you'd quoted my post I just knew that you'd come along to say something of this nature. I know who Marc Owen Jones is, I know he lives and works in Qatar and that sometimes he puts his name to articles such as this which are very favourable to the Qatari regime. That does not make anything that he has said here untrue. I too am distinctly unimpressed by the Qatari royal family who bought the World Cup and treated the workers who built the stadium like shit. However Marc Owen Jones has done really good work on disinformation and it was him who uncovered the involvement of the bullshit Twitter account Channel 3 news in the Southport disinformation campaign. Serious digging needs to be done to try and discover who exactly is financing all of this because it isn't cheap to do.

If you knew I'd come along and point the pro-Qatari dictatorship slant in the article, why didn't you pre-empt me?

 

[Pickman's model]

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Opening the bottle a mite early today

 

[teqniq]

A barrister speaks:

 

[Pickman's model]

If you knew I'd come along and point the pro-Qatari dictatorship slant in the article why didn't you pre-empt me?

Why spoil the surprise for everyone else

 

[mojo pixy]

I'm heartened that nothing seems to be happening west of Bristol, no 'protests' as yet in eg. Plymouth, Exeter or Torbay. I fear it's only a matter of time actually, there have been 'anti-migrant' protests at a hostel in Torquay in the last few months, but as yet it seems spookily quiet down here.

Let's hope I haven't just gone and jinxed it

 

[Pickman's model]

A barrister speaks:

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Think she's talked herself out of some work

 

[krtek a houby]

Nobody cares about prejudiced policing till they're the ones being prejudicially policed, basically. While it was only brown people and lefties being baton charged and beaten in vans the flag shaggers were on the police's side. Now they're a target and it's suddenly all unfair. Laughable.

Reminded of the copagandists in the US who changed their tune when January 6th went down.

 

[teqniq]

If you knew I'd come along and point the pro-Qatari dictatorship slant in the article why didn't you pre-empt me?

I didn't actually know in advance that you would respond to the post but when you quoted it I guessed what your response would be like.

 

[barlimo]

Exceptionally unlikely. More use of dogs, batons and early morning arrests is likely. 24 hour courts and long sentences.

There was talk on the radio of the army being used incidentally rubber bullets were introduced during the troubles in Northern Ireland as an alternative to firearms when soldiers faced lethal threats during rioting. I understand that type of bullet was replaced by a less lethal plastic type.

 

[Pickman's model]

There was talk on the radio of the army being used incidentally rubber bullets were introduced during the troubles in Northern Ireland as an alternative to firearms when soldiers faced lethal threats during rioting. I understand that type of bullet was replaced by a less lethal plastic type.

I've never heard talk of the army being only used incidentally

 

[cyberfairy]

Tangerinedream (used to be on here but appears to have been banned as can't log on) is at the Lancaster gathering. Fash appear outnumbered.

 

[krtek a houby]

There was talk on the radio of the army being used incidentally rubber bullets were introduced during the troubles in Northern Ireland as an alternative to firearms when soldiers faced lethal threats during rioting. I understand that type of bullet was replaced by a less lethal plastic type.

You mean the war in the occupied 6 counties

 

[Pickman's model]

Tangerinedream (used to be on here but appears to have been banned as can't log on) is at the Lancaster gathering. Fash appear outnumbered.

They've not been banned

 

[Spymaster]

It's not about rioting it's about racist attacks, on people and on property. This already happens daily without being reported by press or to police necessarily

Yes, but I was referring to the rioting violent disorder that seems, so far, absent in London.

 

[Dogsauce]

It's not about rioting it's about racist attacks, on people and on property. This already happens daily without being reported by press or to police necessarily

I read someone’s eyewitness report from Manchester where they said the fash charged down one street and some had fire extinguishers that they were spraying at black people sat outside of cafes. Nasty racist shit but a minor detail not big enough to get mentioned in the wider press.

 

[cyberfairy]

They've not been banned

Cool, will let him know- he has tried to log on a number of times. Thanks

 

[Mr.Bishie]

I understand that type of bullet was replaced by a less lethal plastic type.

Less lethal? No fucking idea have you?