Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

[YouSir]

What makes you think they are the same people? I’m sure there’s a crossover, but the clean ups seem very local and apolitical.

Most anti-fascist mobilisations are very local and usually involve a core of people who are very active in all sorts of ways. Imagine the crossover is a fairly notable one.

 

[hitmouse]

Back home now, having had a decent nap. MEN journalist reckons there were about 150 of them vs about 350 of us ACAB agitator types earlier in the day. Good UNISON turnout, for what it's worth - and fair play to all the branches who did take their banners down, I was thinking it wasn't really the kind of event where I wanted to walk around advertising who my employer is and where you can find my workplace.
No real trouble when I was in town, I went home when the counterdemo turned around and joined the Palestine march, does sound like things got hectic later. Someone guessed a few hundred in Piccadilly Gardens but said it was hard to judge who exactly was on the demo vs bystanders, Saturday afternoon shoppers walking past, etc. Hope things calm down soon, I'd quite like the option of having a drink in town tonight without being in the middle of a brawl.

 

[hitmouse]

Btw, Hope Not Hate have this listing of where events are planned this weekend - not sure which ones have counterdemos and which don't:

https://hopenothate.org.uk/2024/08/02/a-weekend-of-unrest-dozens-of-protests-planned-in-the-wake-of-southport/

Friday 2 August:

• Dover
• Liverpool
• Manchester
• Sunderland
• Torquay

Saturday 3 August:

• Blackburn
• Blackpool
• Bolton
• Bristol
• Cardiff
• Doncaster
• Glasgow
• Hanley
• High Wycombe
• Hull
• Leeds
• Leicester
• Liverpool (two separate events identified)
• Manchester (three separate events identified)
• Newcastle
• Nottingham
• Portsmouth
• Preston
• St Helens
• Stoke-on-Trent
• Swindon
• Wrexham

Sunday 4 August:

• Lancaster
• Middlesbrough
• Rotherham
• Rushmoor
• Weymouth

And in following weeks in:

• Sheffield
• Newcastle
• Dover
• Birmingham (two separate events identified)
• Glasgow
• Sunderland

 

[Silas Loom]

Most anti-fascist mobilisations are very local and usually involve a core of people who are very active in all sorts of ways. Imagine the crossover is a fairly notable one.

In Southport, it looked like local building firms and trades that had the wheelbarrows and concrete, supported by the mosque congregants. I really don’t think that was an anti-fascist mobilisation involving people who bang on about Cable Street, it was a practical, hyperlocal, immediate response to the damage done. I doubt the people in Sunderland with brooms were big into placards, either - they were active very early in the morning.

 

[YouSir]

In Southport, it looked like local building firms and trades that had the wheelbarrows and concrete, supported by the mosque congregants. I really don’t think that was an anti-fascist mobilisation involving people who bang on about Cable Street, it was a practical, hyperlocal, immediate response to the damage done. I doubt the people in Sunderland with brooms were big into placards, either - they were active very early in the morning.

Don't be fucking daft, being anti-fascist isn't about 'banging on about Cable Street' or being 'big into placards'.

 

[Pickman's model]

In Southport, it looked like local building firms and trades that had the wheelbarrows and concrete, supported by the mosque congregants. I really don’t think that was an anti-fascist mobilisation involving people who bang on about Cable Street, it was a practical, hyperlocal, immediate response to the damage done. I doubt the people in Sunderland with brooms were big into placards, either - they were active very early in the morning.

You never miss a chance to show how daft you are. People who bang on about cable street also take part in a range of other activities and the presence of placards isn't the signifier of whether something is political.

 

[YouSir]

Don't be fucking daft, being anti-fascist isn't about 'banging on about Cable Street' or being 'big into placards'.

I mean seriously 'they don't look like my Daily Mail vision of anti-fash, must be completely apolitical'. Idiot.

 

[Pickman's model]

Don't be fucking daft, being anti-fascist isn't about 'banging on about Cable Street' or being 'big into placards'.

It's wicked to mock the afflicted

 

[Pickman's model]

I mean seriously 'they don't look like my Daily Mail vision of anti-fash, must be completely apolitical'. Idiot.

Yeh you won't see shammer with a placard therefore he's not political silas loves embarrassing himself

 

[hitmouse]

In Southport, it looked like local building firms and trades that had the wheelbarrows and concrete, supported by the mosque congregants. I really don’t think that was an anti-fascist mobilisation involving people who bang on about Cable Street, it was a practical, hyperlocal, immediate response to the damage done. I doubt the people in Sunderland with brooms were big into placards, either - they were active very early in the morning.

Already posted this once on the thread, but here's a recent post from the regional account of one of Britain's largest unions. Is this what you think of as "people with placards who bang on about Cable Street"?

 

[ska invita]

In Southport, it looked like local building firms and trades that had the wheelbarrows and concrete, supported by the mosque congregants. I really don’t think that was an anti-fascist mobilisation involving people who bang on about Cable Street, it was a practical, hyperlocal, immediate response to the damage done. I doubt the people in Sunderland with brooms were big into placards, either - they were active very early in the morning.

Stop whining

 

[Silas Loom]

Don't be fucking daft, being anti-fascist isn't about 'banging on about Cable Street' or being 'big into placards'.

It certainly is on here! I came into this conversation specifically because of someone wanking on about Cable Street. I am all in favour of peaceful counter protests, it’s this Sealed Knot reenactment society no pasaran cosplay stuff that gets on my tits.

The point about Cable Street is that the MPS were lined up with and protecting the BUF, which is very much not the case 90 years later.

 

[cesare]

In Southport, it looked like local building firms and trades that had the wheelbarrows and concrete, supported by the mosque congregants. I really don’t think that was an anti-fascist mobilisation involving people who bang on about Cable Street, it was a practical, hyperlocal, immediate response to the damage done. I doubt the people in Sunderland with brooms were big into placards, either - they were active very early in the morning.

seeformiles (who I think has family a couple of streets away from the tragedy) posted that people from Liverpool and Manchester came to Southport to help with the clearing up after the fash.

 

[YouSir]

It certainly is on here! I came into this conversation specifically because of someone wanking on about Cable Street. I am all in favour of peaceful counter protests, it’s this Sealed Knot reenactment society no pasaran cosplay stuff that gets on my tits.

The point about Cable Street is that the MPS were lined up with and protecting the BUF, which is very much not the case 90 years later.

And you seem like an ignorant prick on here but I can't imagine I'll be letting that colour my view of the rest of the world.

 

[Silas Loom]

Already posted this once on the thread, but here's a recent post from the regional account of one of Britain's largest unions. Is this what you think of as "people with placards who bang on about Cable Street"?
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No, it’s not. Note the lack of fighty phrases and talk of “denying the fash the streets”. A rally at a fixed point by arrangement with police, distanced from any far right activity, is clearly a worthy thing to do on a Saturday afternoon.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Btw, Hope Not Hate have this listing of where events are planned this weekend - not sure which ones have counterdemos and which don't:

https://hopenothate.org.uk/2024/08/02/a-weekend-of-unrest-dozens-of-protests-planned-in-the-wake-of-southport/

It's hard keeping up with fast moving threads, if anyone spots they are planning anything in Worthing, can you please tag me.

I'll go down and join the welcoming party, which I am sure be even greater than Mosley and the British Union of Fascists got back in 1934.

Battle of South Street.

 

[klang]

I think the events over the last couple of days merit a little historical footnote involving cable st

 

[ska invita]

Especially as Cable Street was the culmination of many previous incidents confrontations and defences

 

[ddraig]

No, it’s not. Note the lack of fighty phrases and talk of “denying the fash the streets”. A rally at a fixed point by arrangement with police, distanced from any far right activity, is clearly a worthy thing to do on a Saturday afternoon.

What does it achieve when "the fash" are running around unchallenged?

 

[Pickman's model]

It certainly is on here! I came into this conversation specifically because of someone wanking on about Cable Street. I am all in favour of peaceful counter protests, it’s this Sealed Knot reenactment society no pasaran cosplay stuff that gets on my tits.

The point about Cable Street is that the MPS were lined up with and protecting the BUF, which is very much not the case 90 years later.

You can leave the conversation as you've proved you've nothing to add. The point about Cable Street is disparate communities came together to oppose a fascist march. It's not that all af activity is the same, people getting together to repair the damage done by fascists is clearly political.

 

[cesare]

Especially as Cable Street was the culmination of many previous incidents confrontations and defences

Activities in Cable Street carry on eg residents disrupting immigration raids.

 

[Silas Loom]

What does it achieve when "the fash" are running around unchallenged?

They are not unchallenged, though. They have been corralled by cops in riot gear until their coke runs out and they shuffle off home, where they will be nicked next week.

 

[The39thStep]

A tale in three parts from Sunderland

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[ddraig]

They are not unchallenged, though. They have been corralled by cops in riot gear until their coke runs out and they shuffle off home, where they will be nicked next week.

Proof? How are buildings and cars getting burnt if they are challenged and corralled?
Have you ever been to one of these types of demo? or even seen one IRL?

 

[cesare]

As an aside, when did "kettling" become "corralling"?

 

[Pickman's model]

They are not unchallenged, though. They have been corralled by cops in riot gear until their coke runs out and they shuffle off home, where they will be nicked next week.

That's not really challenging tho is it. Any more that the cops kettling people in eg Oxford circus is challenging socialists or anarchists. It's not addressing the issues which brought fascists on the street, it's not making clear that communities don't want them.

 

[ska invita]

A tale in three parts from Sunderland

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tbf if all she did was knock a bin over i cant cheer the police collaring her at home

 

[Silas Loom]

As an aside, when did "kettling" become "corralling"?

They were kettled in London, in Southport and Sunderland it looked more like holding a line and protecting specific buildings and access roads. Seemed a fair term.

 

[cesare]

They were kettled in London, in Southport and Sunderland it looked more like holding a line and protecting specific buildings and access roads. Seemed a fair term.

I'd not heard the term before apart from US politics

 

[steeplejack]

It certainly is on here! I came into this conversation specifically because of someone wanking on about Cable Street. I am all in favour of peaceful counter protests, it’s this Sealed Knot reenactment society no pasaran cosplay stuff that gets on my tits.

The point about Cable Street is that the MPS were lined up with and protecting the BUF, which is very much not the case 90 years later.

“Wanking on about Cable Street”