No, it's much worse
Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder
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ska invita
back on the other side
"About 150 people carrying St George’s flags shouted “you’re not English any more” and “paedo Muslims off our street” outside the city’s central library and art gallery."
150
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Tbf they’re all just copying and pasting whatever the first one said, so it’s just a single point of failure.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
It has turned violent in Piccadilly Gardens.
That really looks like something someone might say in “I’m sorry I haven’t a clue”.
klang
klang
150 prepared to go to great length.
150 whose concerns will be amplified by useless politicians across the spectrum.
150 shouldn't be getting the media attention they are getting, but here we are.
Coming back to this given recent events.
Also ElizabethofYork
It strikes me that in the cases where no counter-demonstration has turned out (Hartlepool, Sunderland, Southport) the level of violence has been markedly worse than in cases where a counter-demonstration did appear in greater numbers (Leeds and Liverpool) no such violence occurred.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yes
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
Belfast and Manchester seem to be slightly different situations again. Let’s see.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
It's off a very recent tweet from an MEN journo at the scene, but it's on twitter and I'm not linking to that.
klang
klang
No idea but i wouldn't be surpised by a substantial juridical discrepancy between disgruntled citizens causing a bit of havoc for understandable reasons and climate terrorism bringing rush hour to a halt.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
A local pogrom for local people.
I don't know the population of Hartlepool, but 11 isn't very many. In any fracas there is a tendency to blame those from outside rather than accept the reality. It's always them, not us.
Nothing as yet close to comparable to Sunderland, Hartlepool or Southport but we shall see.
Skinny Ethel
Well-Known Member
Deport them to the deepest part of the oceans and say to them if you can swim home your getting ten years if you get back.
In Belfast it seems to be between the Fash and pals versus the anti-fash. Surely even from your hands off position that's better than the fash attacking people just going about their business and burning down stuff that makes a huge difference to people's lives. If I went along to confront the fash I (and I'm sure plenty of others) would understand the risk of a kicking or a firework to the face unlike people just trying to go about their day.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The antifascists who outnumbered the fash left the area and the trouble is actually between the fash and the police. I've a friend who is on the SUTR who has tweeted what happenedIt's off a very recent tweet from an MEN journo at the scene, but it's on twitter and I'm not linking to that.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
Yes, in a forced choice where police are absent from the equation, hard to disagree.
But the ruck you describe is probably just as scary for anyone in Belfast who is out shopping on a Saturday. What are the police up to?
Jeremiah18.17
Well-Known Member
Face off between two groups in Nottingham centre: Protest and counter-protest in Nottingham - live updates
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Yep, if you follow the live MEN thread by Chris Slater, it's doing a good job of explaining the streets that have been used, where the corals are, how the police are redirecting, etc..
LIVE: Protests in Manchester city centre as cops issue warning
'Peaceful' demonstrations were planned, but tensions soon rose as hundreds gathered in the heart of the city
I can't get to the M&S Food hall because it's in the oh-shit no-go zone. Do they even realise the impact??
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Manchester
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Fwp >>>>>Yep, if you follow the live MEN thread by Chris Slater, it's doing a good job of explaining the streets that have been used, where the corals are, how the police are redirecting, etc..
LIVE: Protests in Manchester city centre as cops issue warning
'Peaceful' demonstrations were planned, but tensions soon rose as hundreds gathered in the heart of the citywww.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
I can't get to the M&S Food hall because it's in the oh-shit no-go zone. Do they even realise the impact??
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I imagine it is scary. As I said above to ElizabethofYork there will be violence with anti-fash there or not and I'd add fear to that. But if that violence is minimised or targeted against people willing and hopefully ready to at least defend themselves then that's got to be a less bad option.
I don't know what the police are upto in Belfast I was just going off the Guardian live reporting thing. I'm going to get off the phone for a bit but will look later.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Not only are people opposing racists and fascists in their communities which also helps set and reinforces norms of behaviour, they are also cleaning up the areas after the far right riots. Big up civil society.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
What makes you think they are the same people? I’m sure there’s a crossover, but the clean ups seem very local and apolitical.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There are none so blind as those that will not see. Do you honestly think community responses to that sort of incursion are devoid of politics? You should just give up now
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