Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

[littlebabyjesus]

You just can’t please everyone.

Do both. Post on here for a month without using the word 'woke' or any of its derivatives and without using 'extreme left/lefties' or anything like that and I'll give 20 quid to the server fund.

 

[BigMoaner]

The Right has certainly been far better (or at least better funded) when it comes to social media. Plus it's a grifters world, the Andrew Tates of it are very good at outpacing more measured, Left Wing content. That said it's also a chaotic sphere. It's very hard to predict what all the noise generated there actually leads to. The antivax stuff, the Bladerunners - lots of conspiracy stuff is influenced by Far Right propagandising but it leads people to random ends after running through the bog of conspiracism and random speculation. I don't think half of the people who want to cut down ULEZ cameras or fight the WEF are inherently Fascist even if that's what some of the nonsense generators they feed off want them to be. And numerically that block is almost certainly bigger than the Tommy Robinson, burn down a mosque lot.

Which doesn't say anything optimistic but it does show that the Right winning on social media doesn't necessarily amount to a coherent movement in their favour. Or anyone's really.

there's a Ulez guy at work, who actually is a really nice bloke. I have no idea tbh about his other wider political views, but he spent about twenty minutes explaining to me how "they want us all to stay in our homes and not leave our towns", and although he tried not too, he looked terrified, eyes flicking about all over the place. I was listening hard and it was like a constellation of horseshit. Jumping from one false premise to another wild speculation over and over. I just sort of shrugged my shoulders and listened. I honestly don't know how you could talk someone out of that - would you need an alternative feed for him to kind of inspire him away from it? confusing. Would he need to return to a sort of baseline of calmer reality? but then what's taht any more? you could say well what's that ever been, whcih is true, but i don't really understand where people are or where they should or can return to any more.

anyway back on track.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Looks like it’s Sunderland Central Police Office which I assume is a police enquiry office, not a police station, and would be unstaffed at that time of night.

and Google maps says it’s next to the CAB

I've only skimmed read the last few pages, so sorry if this has already been pointed out, but it wasn't the police office, but the CAB one that was set alight.

 

[seeformiles]

How about Beaufort's Dyke then?

Ah yes, the highly explosive pit that put the kybosh on the proposed (if somewhat fantastical) Scotland to N.I. bridge. Good call

 

[Spymaster]

Do both. Post on here for a month without using the word 'woke' or any of its derivatives and without using 'extreme left/lefties' or anything like that and I'll give 20 quid to the server fund.

I've absolutely no interest in posting to yours or anyone else's stipulations and couldn't care less whether or not you make a donation to the server fund, thanks!

 

[Jammy smears]

A demo is planned in Hull on Saturday, I've spent far too much time today reporting every single post advertising it on facebook but I doubt the fckers will do anything. I think only a dozen or so turned up for the last one, hopefully the same apathy will be present this weekend.

Quoting my own post to say that shockingly I recieved responses from Facebook, they have removed all the posts advertising the demo. I was not expecting that result.

 

[xenon]

Woke is just such a lame retort though. Uttered by the dullard dribblers on Facebook news pages. Surely you can be more precise or inventive.

 

[Spymaster]

I've only skimmed read the last few pages, so sorry if this has already been pointed out, but it wasn't the police office, but the CAB one that was set alight.



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Something on the radio this morning said a police office was burnt but it wasn't operational.

 

[cesare]

Woke is just such a lame retort though. Uttered by the dullard dribblers on Facebook news pages. Surely you can be more precise or inventive.

It's hilarious. Every time I see/hear it I think of the people that used to say "pc gawn mad" with bulging eyes and straining neck, proper apoplectic

 

[two sheds]

gammon stuff intit

I did a quick search of Spy's posts and he uses it all the fucking time ... "I woke up yesterday ..." "when I woke up ..."

 

[Wilf]

I know you're getting likes for this and I don't want to be picky or arsey but really? People don't realise that a town with 90,000 people might be able to rouse a few fash? They are fucking everywhere, they don't have their own special communities IRL. "Bussed in" - which is the bit that gets me - is a media trope applied forever against the Left. To mean 'non-representative'. It has no basis in truth. It's part of mythical consensus building. Othering people. "They" live "over there", not "here".

Well sorry but it's bollocks, always has been. It should be no surprise, in the age of the net, that organisation, mobilisation is easier.

Tl;dr? Yes there are fash in Hartlepool. And anywhere else of a similar size.

We need to show we're everywhere too.

Believe it or not I'd planned to put that bit in inverted com.as, but couldn't be arsed as on phone. What I was reacting to was what had been said on here about Southport, how most of those arrested were from elsewhere. Suppose I was making the point about there being a level of fash support everywhere (and a penumbra of others with overlapping g/adjacent views).

 

[cupid_stunt]

Something on the radio this morning said a police office was burnt but it wasn't operational.

I think there was some confusion with earlier reports, they seem to have been corrected.

A police building was ransacked and a Citizens Advice premises next door was set alight, with eight arrests made by authorities.

Northumbria Police says three officers were injured and needed hospital treatment amid the "serious and sustained levels of violence".

Sunderland riots latest: North East mayor Kim McGuinness condemns 'violent thugs' who attacked police

Beer cans and bricks were thrown at riot police outside a mosque and at least one car was set on fire during the disorder.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Wilf]

My impression is that Hartlepool and Sunderland have been centres of far right (formerly EDL) activity in the North East, part of why Hartlepool went Tory in 2019 and why Sunderland has been leaning that way more than Tyneside.

Not a defense of it but it isn't a coincidence that these places are significantly more left behind economically than Tyneside. Sunderland City Centre is really a thoroughly depressing place. Some of the far-right rioters are people with extremely limited horizons and haven't really interacted with people outside their very small world, this is a bigger part of it than economic grievance per se although it is obviously related. The far right stuff gives them some sense of belonging and meaning.

I used to go out with a girl from near Hartlepool and her local friends would complain about immigrants taking the jobs, when pressed for an example (as there are not many immigrants in that region) they could only name the Chinese takeaway. This is the level of parochialism we're talking about. I reckon it's gotten worse over the last decade or so of online conspiracy theories giving a lurid sense of righteousness and a sense of being part of a bigger movement against some nebulous dark forces. People getting online hasn't broadened horizons as digital optimists once expected but has instead reaffirmed parochial prejudices and twisted them into something strange and dangerous.

Yeah, the fash tried to get things going in Sunderland when England played a game there.

 

[klang]

I've only skimmed read the last few pages, so sorry if this has already been pointed out, but it wasn't the police office, but the CAB one that was set alight.



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Ffs

 

[klang]

...but antifa and extreme left.

 

[Spymaster]

gammon stuff intit

I did a quick search of Spy's posts and he uses it all the fucking time ... "I woke up yesterday ..." "when I woke up ..."

I just checked it as well. I've actually hardly ever (never?) used the term unless we've been discussing it, or as the past tense of wake.

 

[gosub]

Ffs

Indeed. Can't see how they can call it 'protests'

WHAT DO WE WANT? Less help and advice!

 

[Wilf]

there's a Ulez guy at work, who actually is a really nice bloke. I have no idea tbh about his other wider political views, but he spent about twenty minutes explaining to me how "they want us all to stay in our homes and not leave our towns", and although he tried not too, he looked terrified, eyes flicking about all over the place. I was listening hard and it was like a constellation of horseshit. Jumping from one false premise to another wild speculation over and over. I just sort of shrugged my shoulders and listened. I honestly don't know how you could talk someone out of that - would you need an alternative feed for him to kind of inspire him away from it? confusing. Would he need to return to a sort of baseline of calmer reality? but then what's taht any more? you could say well what's that ever been, whcih is true, but i don't really understand where people are or where they should or can return to any more.

anyway back on track.

I sometimes think if you went back and asked these people 'the thing you were predicting 10 years ago, did it happen?' Ditto 5 years or even 12 months ago. Probably wouldn't make much difference, these are sealed belief systems that guard against that kind of reflection. People only pull out when their life circumstances change.

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[Wilf]

I've absolutely no interest in posting to yours or anyone else's stipulations and couldn't care less whether or not you make a donation to the server fund, thanks!

Aww, c'mon, we could have a presentation at Urbfest if you make it.

 

[Spymaster]

Aww, c'mon, we could have a presentation at Urbfest if you make it.

Oh, if I get the money that's another matter entirely.

Twenty quid not to use a word I've never used before?

I'm in!

 

[two sheds]

I just checked it as well. I've actually hardly ever (never?) used the term unless we've been discussing it, or as the past tense of wake.

sure you didn't just search 'This thread'?

We've got uber-woke and lefty-woke-wank and woke-lefty knots and wokeness and woke bollocks and Urban woke brigade and woke wanker just on the first couple of of six pages

 

[Spymaster]

sure you didn't just search 'This thread'?

We've got uber-woke and lefty-woke-wank and woke-lefty knots and wokeness and woke bollocks and Urban woke brigade and woke wanker just on the first couple of of six pages

Those don't count.

 

[two sheds]

What year were you born again?

 

[Callie]

Nm

 

[Wookey]

There's racist protests in Manchester this morning, and counter demonstrations. I don't think it's kicked off, I stayed away mostly because I'm not sure I could control myself if I got near a shouty racist.

 

[Wookey]

We've also got tbh the Trans Pride Manchester March, the regular Ukrainian solidarity event, and a march by Manchester Palestine Action.

I should be there at four marches today!!

 

[Bingoman]

I've only skimmed read the last few pages, so sorry if this has already been pointed out, but it wasn't the police office, but the CAB one that was set alight.



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So it wasnt the police station as the media said then, how on earth can the media make that mistake

 

[danny la rouge]

So it wasnt the police station as the media said then, how on earth can the media make that mistake

It’s almost as if the media can’t always be trusted to get their facts right.

 

[lengualo]

So it wasnt the police station as the media said then, how on earth can the media make that mistake

Because they're right next to each other and it looked to be the case. Its been corrected and a CAB office is no better.

 

[Saul Goodman]

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