8ball
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Yeah, after 9/11 I really got into radical Islam for a bit.
Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder
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Yeah, after 9/11 I really got into radical Islam for a bit.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Same
Seems like it isn't but they are marching to the Mosque now though.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
It's not an organisation I would uncritically endorse by any means*, but SUTR have this list:
Stop the far right events in your area this weekend
Stop the far right events in your area this weekend. This list we be continually updated, so check back for more events
standuptoracism.org.uk
Friday 2 August
Bradford: 5pm, City Hall, BD1 1HX
Croydon: Town Hall 4.30pm Katherine St, CRO 1NX
Saturday 3 August
Blackburn: 12 noon Victoria Street, BB1 6DS – 12.30 peaceful march to Town Hall
Bristol: 6pm, Castle Park (top of Union Street)
Cardiff: 11am, Senedd
Leeds: 12.30pm, Leeds Central Library, Calverley Street
Leicester: 4pm at the top of Gallowtree Gate, outside Sports Direct, Leicester City Centre – Unity Rally We remember the Southport victims – with respect
Liverpool: 1pm, St George’s Hall, L1 1JJ. There will also be an ant-racist presence at the West Derby Road mosque on Friday evening.
Manchester: 9am, Piccadilly Gardens, M1 1AF
Nottingham: 1pm Brian Clough statue – Stand with Southport, Don’t let hate divide us, Oppose the far right, No more victims
Stoke: 10.30am, Hanley Town Hall (ST1 1 QQ)
Sunday 4 August
Birmingham: 2pm outside Barclays Bank, High Street, City Centre
Bolton: 12 noon, Queens Park, Spa Road, BL1 4AG – 12.30 peaceful march to Town Hall
Rotherham/Sheffield: 11am, Holiday Inn, Express Way, Manvers Way, Wath-upon-Dearne, S63 7EQ
Weymouth: 4.30pm Weymouth Esplanade opposite King George statue
Definitely not got everything, e.g. the call to protect a mosque in Liverpool tonight, and where you have the choice I'd usually recommend going with an independently-organised event rather than a SUTR one, but it's harder to get a convenient list compiled of those, especially since the AFN seems like a bit of an ex-organisation these days.
*a full discussion of the pros and cons of SUTR, and indeed other antifascist groups, would probably be outside of the scope of this thread, although tbf probably not that much more offtopic than a lengthy back and forth about what woke means or whatever.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Sunderland
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Fuck.
Cid
Proper break this time
The point is that neither the people outside the mosque or (probably) the people on the LBC phone in are actually talking about immigration. Their view of it has no relationship to the reality of the subject. It is a far right, conspiracist perspective that forms a part of this whole fucking mess we've landed in. It is relevant in that sense. Discussing the finer points of immigration policy and potentially justified grievances is not.
mojo pixy
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Actually I started about how a dozen or so callers to LBC over the last few days have been justifying the recent protests and talking supportively because 'we need to take our country back / feel proud to be british / teach our kids they shouldn't be ashamed of being white', at the same time as complaining about being called 'far-right'.
The stuff about silent majority and wokeness is all running alongside that as well it might, but wasn't my reason for posting.
Speaking of which,
No, because it depends what their actual concerns are and how they express them. If someone starts being shouty and abusive (or obviously trying to provoke an angry response from someone else by escalating) or if someone consiously and even proudly ignores objective reality while promoting easily-disproved lies and racist tropes, then you know. You have to at some point believe what you see and hear and respond to that as true.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Nothing says concern for children like being lagered up and wearing nazi skincare
8ball
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Some odd reasoning here.
“Can we at least agree that x does not always equal y?”
“NO!! Because it depends on the actual values of x and y….”
8ball
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
The point is, the thugs groin butting bricks at the cops allows common or garden racists to say: “we’re not far right: they’re far right”.
mojo pixy
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Some odd reasoning here.
“Can we at least agree that x does not always equal y?”
“NO!! Because it depends on the actual values of x and y….”
OK, to clarify, I'd tend to assume broadly that someone keen to express 'concerns about immigration, wokeness, or national pride' probably did hold a whole suite of views that could fairly be described as 'far right', but I'll always hear someone out before committing more firmly to that assumption.
Or more rarely, before realising I'm wrong and this person simply doesn't know very much about politics and how society works but they're happy to listen and consider new facts and unfamiliar ideas.
Yeah I chuckled as I typed that last bit.
Its worth at least trying, I've managed to sway people before just by talking about stuff. Not everyone is that deep down the racist rabbit hole and if you can catch them before they fall then you've helped.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I think that's just a demonstration event at the Paris Olympics. Proper medals in 2028.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Or, to quote a contributor on this thread.... 'agitators'.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
BBC is reporting on it.
Unrest in Sunderland as protesters target mosque
"Unrest" and "protestors" though ffs.
Unrest in Sunderland as protesters target mosque
"Unrest" and "protestors" though ffs.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I'd go with racist attack on a mosque.
8ball
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Not sure where the word “cunts” fits in the Beeb style guide..
ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
But surely they know by now that the person who carried out the attack wasn't Muslim. I mean, I know they're thick racists, but why aren't they now focusing on (non-Muslim) Africans? It's not as though it's an intrinsically difficult step for them to take.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Because they're bigots and thanks to politicians and the media they know they'll get a far easier ride attacking Muslims than anyone else.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Why the fuck are they calling them protesters? They're not protesting against anything.
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