Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

[andysays]

I feel bad for the poor people of Stockport these last few days

Southport.

Apologies. Now corrected

 

[Spymaster]

And your 'cunts gonna cunt' from 90 mins ago, how was that not bantz and an in joke?

Not to mention a flagrant and heinous violation of the terms of mutual ignore. I’m prepared to let this one go and put it down to his ongoing infatuation with me, but if it happens again I’ll be very cross indeed.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Brick in bollocks man has been revealed. Have to say he looks rough and old for a 33 year old. According to his mates, he's just a party animal and got a bit carried away. Nothing like partying at a vigil for three murdered kids.

Rioter who was bricked in the privates revealed to be 'party animal' dad-of-two

His friends have described him as a 'party animal'.

metro.co.uk

Look on the bright side. He may be a dad-of-two but he's almost certainly not going to be dad of any more.

 

[danny la rouge]

So for anyone interested in the word woke and its usage, this is a good listen:

BBC Radio 4 - Woke: The Journey of a Word - Available now

Available episodes of Woke: The Journey of a Word

www.bbc.co.uk

And this short read: Lead Belly, the Scottsboro Boys, Staying Woke, and Class

 

[gosub]

I agree with most of this (apart from the moron stuff) so I'm not sure what you're arguing.

Can we agree that not everyone who has concerns about immigration, wokeness, or national pride, is necessarily far-right?

Can we agree that if your concern about immigration is that they might raise children that butcher children you can fuck right off?

 

[Wilf]

What I mean is, 'woke' is a term for 'anything I don't like'. Sheffield United are woke. Meat is woke. Haemorrhoids are woke. and so on.

So, blades cuts piles... ouch!

 

[danny la rouge]

As climate change gets worse, millions of people are going to be emigrating; more parts of the world will become uninhabitable.



Climate-induced migration in the Global South: an in depth analysis - npj Climate Action

Absolutely.

As the pressures of climate change, biodiversity change, and the global social justice crisis grow, migration will increase.

What we see now on the English Channel is just a beginning as these processes accelerate. Treating it as a discrete issue is pointless. It cannot be separated from the context.

And we are all inhabitants of Earth. It doesn’t matter what bureaucratic systems are set up regarding artificial lines drawn on maps. People fleeing those crises will have to end up somewhere. No matter how concerned people in Tunbridge Wells might be.

 

[emanymton]

Apologies. Now corrected

You haven't been the only one doing it.

 

[Spymaster]

Can we agree that if your concern about immigration is that they might raise children that butcher children you can fuck right off?

Pretty random, but yeah. If you like.

 

[lazythursday]

is there a list anywhere of anti-fascist demos this weekend, intelligence about where far right gatherings may be etc? I've seen the figure of 19 banded about but no info about where likely places are.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Pretty random, but yeah. If you like.

It's not random. That's the only way to link this horrific crime to concerns about immigration.

 

[Spymaster]

It's not random. That's the only way to link this horrific crime to concerns about immigration.

Yes, nobody is arguing with that but it still misses the point of how the issue arose here.

 

[ddraig]

HE WAS BORN IN CARDIFF FOR FUCK'S SAKE

 

[Pickman's model]

HE WAS BORN IN CARDIFF FOR FUCK'S SAKE

It's amazing how even a good point looks barking in all caps

 

[ddraig]

It's amazing how even a good point looks barking in all caps

Yes, needs bloody shouting tho!

 

[danny la rouge]

Yes, nobody is arguing with that but it still misses the point of how the issue arose here.

How the issue arose here is in order to discuss the fact that the far right is making use of the senseless murder, and serious injury, of young girls to sow division.

It makes no difference to them that the suspect is Cardiff-born of Rwandan parents. Rwanda is 92% Christian. And of the remaining 8% only a minority even of that is Muslim. And yet they choose to turn up outside a Mosque and break its windows.

This is not about concerns.

 

[Spymaster]

How the issue arose here is in order to discuss the fact that the far right is making use of the senseless murder, and serious injury, of young girls to sow division.

It makes no difference to them that the suspect is Cardiff-born of Rwandan parents. Rwanda is 92% Christian. And of the remaining 8% only a minority even of that is Muslim. And yet they choose to turn up outside a Mosque and break its windows.

This is not about concerns.

That's still not relevant in the context it arose.

Mojo touched on the suggestion that people with immigration concerns, in this case those calling a radio show, were far right. My contention was that having immigration concerns does not necessarily make one far-right (though it may).

This particular case is immaterial to that.

 

[danny la rouge]

That's still not relevant in the context it arose.

Mojo touched on the suggestion that people with immigration concerns, in this case those calling a radio show, were far right. My contention was that having immigration concerns does not necessarily make one far-right (though it may).

This particular case is immaterial to that.

I didn’t hear the radio show.

But you know what? I bet they were.

 

[Spymaster]

I didn’t hear the radio show.

But you know what? I bet they were.

Neither did I, and that's quite possible.

But the point still stands.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

That's still not relevant in the context it arose.

Mojo touched on the suggestion that people with immigration concerns, in this case those calling a radio show, were far right. My contention was that having immigration concerns does not necessarily make one far-right (though it may).

This particular case is immaterial to that.

If the radio show's topic was this murder and its aftermath, anyone who would react to that topic by phoning up and expressing concerns about immigration is doing a far-right thing. They are leveraging this awful situation to turn it into an opportunity to talk about immigration. Fuck anyone who does that. They are far-right whether they think they are or not.

 

[Spymaster]

If the radio show's topic was this murder and its aftermath, anyone who would react to that topic by phoning up and expressing concerns about immigration is doing a far-right thing. They are leveraging this awful situation to turn it into an opportunity to talk about immigration. Fuck anyone who does that. They are far-right whether they think they are or not.

That would depend on the context of the phone in, but yes. Quite probably.

Still not the point at hand though.

 

[danny la rouge]

Neither did I, and that's quite possible.

But the point still stands.

I mean, it stands a bit. But on the other hand, people with non-racist immigration concerns - whatever that might look like, and I’m really not convinced - do need to be helped with the big picture: humans migrate. They always have done. We began in Africa. And we’ve migrated since before the concept of nations as we know it existed.

And, you know, the aforementioned poly crisis.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

There is a point at hand?

I've been guilty of responding to points about immigration, but this is not the place to discuss immigration really. That's allowing far-right racists to set the agenda.

 

[danny la rouge]

There is a point at hand?

I've been guilty of responding to points about immigration, but this is not the place to discuss immigration really. That's allowing far-right racists to set the agenda.

Exactly.

 

[klang]

Does it still need pointing out that violent far right action normalises far right ideas in mainstream politics?

 

[Spymaster]

There is a point at hand?

Well there was. It would have been fleeting, and done and dusted were it not for a few people needlessly trying and failing to take me on over it.

I've been guilty of responding to points about immigration, but this is not the place to discuss immigration really.

Agreed. Mojo probably shouldn't have brought it up. Happy to move on.

 

[gosub]

That's still not relevant in the context it arose.

Mojo touched on the suggestion that people with immigration concerns, in this case those calling a radio show, were far right. My contention was that having immigration concerns does not necessarily make one far-right (though it may).

This particular case is immaterial to that.

That, to me, feels more fucking random than referencing Axel Rudakumba 's status in thread about the far rights response to his alleged actions

 

[The39thStep]

Hartlepool court appearances

Man weeps in court as seven are charged with violent disorder in Hartlepool

 

[Rimbaud]

On my way to my cousin's engagement party in Sunderland and there's rumours going round that the fash have set fire to a mosque in Millfield. Not sure if true or not just social media buzz.

 

[Wilf]

On my way to my cousin's engagement party in Sunderland and there's rumours going round that the fash have set fire to a mosque in Millfield. Not sure if true or not just social media buzz.

Nothing from a general search, so hopefully not true.