Limejuice
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No, but Basher was clearly at fault. It's a question how supportive the stewards are for hard racing. Max had to retire so there's a case for applying the slipper.
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Leclerc will get points even if they give a 5 second penalty.
Hope that Sainz can get a decent position
Limejuice
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The stewards will probably just give him a reprimand. They've shown a distinct lack of spine in recent races. Except for getting pissy and peevish with team principals who call them stupid.
MrCurry
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I’m all for not penalising drivers if their “jump start” results in no advantage, but agree that past precedents have always been that any movement prior to the lights attracts a penalty.
I guess the investigation into LeClerc and Verstappen will be about whether LeClerc could have avoided the contact, or if he just understeered into Max despite steering away from him. Agree with Badgers, “hard racing” can’t be allowed to turn into bumper cars.
I guess the investigation into LeClerc and Verstappen will be about whether LeClerc could have avoided the contact, or if he just understeered into Max despite steering away from him. Agree with Badgers, “hard racing” can’t be allowed to turn into bumper cars.
The jump even without an advantage (for the jumper) will effect the drivers around the jumper. Should be a back and white penalty given in the first lap.
1%er
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There is nothing in the rule for jump start about gaining an advantage or not, it is you jumped or you didn't and clearly he did
Limejuice
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Good luck to the examinee.Ok guys that's me I'm not off to the bar today but to bedI've got to be up at 7am to take my Son to an exam
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Aha, now it becomes clearer. A chequered flag error (another one?!) caused the last lap of the race to be deleted:
Chequered flag error means race distance is cut and Perez scores points despite crashing · RaceFans
When will F1 devise a system to ensure the chequered flag gets waved at the right time? Can’t be too hard surely.
Chequered flag error means race distance is cut and Perez scores points despite crashing · RaceFans
When will F1 devise a system to ensure the chequered flag gets waved at the right time? Can’t be too hard surely.
Limejuice
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Lecrash's penalty sounds about right.
A small slap on the wrist for schumachering another car off the track, which led directly to that car's retirement.
A double-slap on the wrist for ignoring instructions from his team (and no doubt coming from the stewards themselves), shedding lethal shards of carbon fibre, strong enough to smash off Hammy's right wing mirror.
Does this mean the stewards, in their ever-changing form, have rescinded Lecrash's carte blanche to schumacher other cars off the track at will, or was that indulgence merely granted for a Ferrari driver at the Italian GP, or does it mean the stewards are a hopelessly inconsistent bunch of semi-professionals with a poor sense of proportion?
Answers on a postcard, care / of Jean Todt.
A small slap on the wrist for schumachering another car off the track, which led directly to that car's retirement.
A double-slap on the wrist for ignoring instructions from his team (and no doubt coming from the stewards themselves), shedding lethal shards of carbon fibre, strong enough to smash off Hammy's right wing mirror.
Does this mean the stewards, in their ever-changing form, have rescinded Lecrash's carte blanche to schumacher other cars off the track at will, or was that indulgence merely granted for a Ferrari driver at the Italian GP, or does it mean the stewards are a hopelessly inconsistent bunch of semi-professionals with a poor sense of proportion?
Answers on a postcard, care / of Jean Todt.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
I’d love to know what led race control to declare initially that the LEC/VER crash on lap 1 did not require an investigation and how this came to be overturned. Did the stewards invoke their prerogative to investigate whatever they like, even if not referred from race control, or did someone get on the phone to Michael Masi and tell him to sort it out?
The post race protest from Racing Point re Renault’s brake bias system is interesting. I wonder just how Racing Point know so much about how Renault’s brake adjust system is working?
The post race protest from Racing Point re Renault’s brake bias system is interesting. I wonder just how Racing Point know so much about how Renault’s brake adjust system is working?
Limejuice
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Perhaps the stewards initially saw just a coming together on the opening lap and applied the Whiting principle: "It's a start; let 'em race."
The serious damage to Max's car only became apparent later when he retired. No doubt Red Bull got on the Bat-phone. Ditto Mercedes.
But the announcement to investigate came long after Lecrash ignored orders to box, and long after Hammy actually lost a mirror to the debris flying off the Ferrari. So what was initially okay about these transgressions, but later became serious enough to warrant a double-wrath time penalty?
Honestly, I don't think the stewards have a clue about what to let slip and what to punish. It seems to me that waving flags and issuing mild reprimands, and waffling about for dozens of laps instead of clear and (especially) quick determinations is milquetoast management. Changing their mind - doubtless under pressure from the victims' teams - is a sign they haven't got a clear understanding of what's required of them.
I fully support the Gunter Steiner manifesto!
The serious damage to Max's car only became apparent later when he retired. No doubt Red Bull got on the Bat-phone. Ditto Mercedes.
But the announcement to investigate came long after Lecrash ignored orders to box, and long after Hammy actually lost a mirror to the debris flying off the Ferrari. So what was initially okay about these transgressions, but later became serious enough to warrant a double-wrath time penalty?
Honestly, I don't think the stewards have a clue about what to let slip and what to punish. It seems to me that waving flags and issuing mild reprimands, and waffling about for dozens of laps instead of clear and (especially) quick determinations is milquetoast management. Changing their mind - doubtless under pressure from the victims' teams - is a sign they haven't got a clear understanding of what's required of them.
I fully support the Gunter Steiner manifesto!
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
F1 is rapidly becoming a bit of a joke. They really need to sort out some consistency in the rules and how they’re applied.
