Limejuice
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A headwind might add so much drag, the damn thing can't move.
Tailwind? Low-flying F1 car en route to Hawaii.
Or am I thinking of the conveyor belt problem?
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Tailwind? Low-flying F1 car en route to Hawaii.
Or am I thinking of the conveyor belt problem?
Indeliblelink
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Don't they usually just move qualifying to Sunday morning in such circumstances. I seem to recall them doing it a few times before.
Limejuice
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Yes, that's true, but where's the fun in that?
Water wi... No! Pedalos for the win!
1%er
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Teams and FIA jousting over 2021 rules
Freeze on ICU development
F1 is considering a freeze on the internal combustion engine part of the current ‘power units’ from 2021. Earlier, it was thought that the engine rules would remain stable until 2025. But concerns about the high development costs are now driving speculation that a freeze before then could be on the cards, with only the electrical parts of the power units then eligible for constant development.
The first step is a limit on allowed test bench time. “That would reduce the costs by 5 per cent as a good first step,” Mercedes Toto Wolff told reporters “But there has to be more”. He says a freeze of the internal combustion engine would be a next step. “It would be better for sustainability if we keep developing the electrical part of the power unit”. Currently, the MGU-K delivers 20 per cent of the total power output. “We can imagine increasing that to 50 per cent" Wolff added.
Aerodynamics
We have already heard they the FIA want to bring back ground effect, it now seems they are also looking at active aero. Led by Mercedes, it is believed that some teams want Liberty and the FIA to agree to keep the regulations substantially the same.
But president Jean Todt has ruled that out. “It will not change much,” a source said, referring to the proposed 2021 car concept. However, what the FIA might be open to is active aerodynamics, which could make it even easier for cars to follow one another and render DRS obsolete. The active aerodynamics idea was brought up at the last meeting of the technical working group, and follows concerns that once development of the 2021 gets into full swing, overtaking will once again become very difficult.
“In the beginning, the car that is following will have 90 per cent of their downforce. But that will change with each development step,” warned Renault’s Marcin Budkowski. “Whether it will become 50 per cent again, as with the current cars, no one can know that today”. The hope is that active aerodynamics, giving the drivers the ability to adjust the wings and other parts of the car while closely following a rival, will ensure that the 2021 cars continue to permit close racing.
Haas boss Gunther Steiner says “Regarding the 2021 regulations, I think there are too many restrictions. But there is still time for change” he fully supports the idea of a budget cap, but thinks it should be lower than the proposed $175 million. “I would lower it and make the technical regulations freer, with a higher budget cap and more regulation, the top teams will still dominate. I am for a lower cap and more rules freedom. Our budget is much smaller than the cap will be. Yes, we will get closer to the leaders, but it will take several years. The important thing is that there will be a budget cap. And that later on it will be possible to look at that number again” Steiner added.
Can Mercedes win the Constructors championship this weekend
Well yes they can, a maximum of 44 points are on the table for each team in each race, as race victories are worth 25 points, second place finishes are worth 18 points and the fastest race lap is worth one point. After the Japanese Grand Prix, just four races will remain on the schedule, meaning that there will be a maximum of 176 points on the table for each team. This means that if Mercedes outscore Ferrari by at least 14 points at Suzuka Circuit, they will become just the second team in Formula 1 history to win six consecutive constructor championships, and they will be able to focus on going for a record seventh consecutive title next year.
Mercedes don’t need to be more than 176 points ahead of Ferrari after this race as a result of the fact that they have clinched the tiebreaker over the Prancing Horse. Mercedes have won 11 races so far this year while Ferrari have won only three, so even if Ferrari win out, they will only have eight victories compared to Mercedes’ 11.
Guenther Steiner in some real trouble with the FIA
Haas boss Guenther Steiner's scathing criticism of the stewards' call against his team in the Russian Grand Prix could prove very costly for the Italian and the US outfit. In Sochi, Haas' Kevin Magnussen was handed a 5-second time penalty during the race for venturing off track at Turn 2 while fighting Racing Point's Sergio Perez. But the Dane failed to pass to the left of the bollards placed in the corner's run-off area, a move frowned upon by the stewards who hit the driver with a penalty. Magnussen salvaged a ninth-place finish but on the cool down lap, Steiner objected to the sanction, insisting the call was made by "a stupid idiotic steward".
However, according to news reports from Germany, a post-race confrontation between the stewards and Steiner escalated, with the Haas team boss refusing to apologize for his attitude earlier in the day and lashing out at FIA steward Emanuele Pirro in particular. The clash between the two men and Steiner's attitude in Sochi has prompted the FIA to consider an exemplary punishment for Haas or its team principal.
There are three potential sanctions apparently under discussion. The FIA could send Steiner packing for a few races and restrict his access to the paddock, it could also hit Haas with a hefty $250,000 fine for bringing the sport into disrepute and finally, the governing body could deduct points from Haas' tally in the Constructors' standings. There's no doubt Steiner will be tight-lipped over the radio this weekend in Suzuka, if he's on the team's pitwall, which remains to be seen.
Daniel Ric settles lawsuit
Daniel Ricciardo and former manager Glenn Beavis have reached an amicable settlement over the $12 million lawsuit which was being heard in the UK High Court. Beavis had raised a dispute over commissions he felt were still owed to him from Ricciardo's lucrative Renault contract, signed mid-way through 2018 to commence this season. The lawsuit stated Beavis was entitled to 20 percent of Ricciardo's base salary which is believed to have been around $12 million and several other contractual fees, including the cost of the Australian driver's superlicence.
The two parties have reached an undisclosed settlement. A statement said: "Daniel Ricciardo and Glenn Beavis are pleased to confirm that they have reached an amicable settlement over the amounts due to Glenn and thus bringing to an end the proceedings in the High Court in London. Daniel and Glenn wish each other well in their future endeavours". Beavis provided management and consultancy services to Ricciardo from 2012 until the beginning of the current season. Ahead of the season opening Australian Grand Prix, Ricciardo announced a new partnership with CAA Sports.
Beavis claimed he started negotiations on Ricciardo's behalf with Renault boss Cyril Abiteboul in mid-2017, which continued into 2018 and culminated with Ricciardo signing a contract on August 2. The lawsuit stated Ricciardo told Beavis he was seeking an end to their partnership on Dec. 15, but it was agreed Beavis could continue as "there were various outstanding matters to be dealt with first, including negotiating the long form of the Renault driver contracts". Beavis said he finalised the long form Renault contract on March 7, a week before the Australian Grand Prix and before his agreement with Ricciardo ended on March 31.
Ricciardo's defence stated that "at no stage was any entitlement to commission raised or agreed", even after Beavis had agreed to stay on to finalise the Renault deal.
New teams in F1
There have been rumours for several weeks about potential new teams in Formula 1, with a couple of projects being floated in the media, clearly because those involved want to have their names out there in an effort to attract attention, presumably as they wish to raise money. This has obviously irked the Formula One Group (for some reason) and it issued a statement yesterday saying that "following publicity in recent days from several entities that have indicated their ambition to participate in the FIA Formula One World Championship from 2021, while Formula 1 appreciates their interest, we can confirm that there are no serious discussions with any persons or companies about the admission of a new team".
It is clear that the Formula One company in its modern form is not given to feeding out lots of rumours about what it is doing and prefers to keep things quiet until they are done. This is probably related to the fact that it is listed on the NASDAQ Stock Exchance and has to follow the Securities and Exchange Commission's rules and regulations, which aim to stop all kinds of market manipulation. Companies cannot stop rumours about their activities, but they can deny stories which are not true.
There have been rumours for some time that there are plans for a $200 million entry fee for the future. This may sound like a great deal of money, but it makes sense as new entrants are effectively going to be buying prize money if they are accepted as Liberty wants all those involved to have the same basic rewards, rather than the top 10 getting all the money and the others being unable to compete. The reason that there is such a high limit being proposed is because the teams are being asked to share the available money between 12 (or even 13 entrants) and that would obviously mean a reduction in what they would be getting, so the fees would be split between the teams to offset the losses. In exchange new teams (if there are any) would get instant payments from both Column 1 and Column 2, rather than having to wait to start receiving money. Thus, a new team would be able to earn about $40 million in its first season (for finishing last).
Freeze on ICU development
F1 is considering a freeze on the internal combustion engine part of the current ‘power units’ from 2021. Earlier, it was thought that the engine rules would remain stable until 2025. But concerns about the high development costs are now driving speculation that a freeze before then could be on the cards, with only the electrical parts of the power units then eligible for constant development.
The first step is a limit on allowed test bench time. “That would reduce the costs by 5 per cent as a good first step,” Mercedes Toto Wolff told reporters “But there has to be more”. He says a freeze of the internal combustion engine would be a next step. “It would be better for sustainability if we keep developing the electrical part of the power unit”. Currently, the MGU-K delivers 20 per cent of the total power output. “We can imagine increasing that to 50 per cent" Wolff added.
Aerodynamics
We have already heard they the FIA want to bring back ground effect, it now seems they are also looking at active aero. Led by Mercedes, it is believed that some teams want Liberty and the FIA to agree to keep the regulations substantially the same.
But president Jean Todt has ruled that out. “It will not change much,” a source said, referring to the proposed 2021 car concept. However, what the FIA might be open to is active aerodynamics, which could make it even easier for cars to follow one another and render DRS obsolete. The active aerodynamics idea was brought up at the last meeting of the technical working group, and follows concerns that once development of the 2021 gets into full swing, overtaking will once again become very difficult.
“In the beginning, the car that is following will have 90 per cent of their downforce. But that will change with each development step,” warned Renault’s Marcin Budkowski. “Whether it will become 50 per cent again, as with the current cars, no one can know that today”. The hope is that active aerodynamics, giving the drivers the ability to adjust the wings and other parts of the car while closely following a rival, will ensure that the 2021 cars continue to permit close racing.
Haas boss Gunther Steiner says “Regarding the 2021 regulations, I think there are too many restrictions. But there is still time for change” he fully supports the idea of a budget cap, but thinks it should be lower than the proposed $175 million. “I would lower it and make the technical regulations freer, with a higher budget cap and more regulation, the top teams will still dominate. I am for a lower cap and more rules freedom. Our budget is much smaller than the cap will be. Yes, we will get closer to the leaders, but it will take several years. The important thing is that there will be a budget cap. And that later on it will be possible to look at that number again” Steiner added.
Can Mercedes win the Constructors championship this weekend
Well yes they can, a maximum of 44 points are on the table for each team in each race, as race victories are worth 25 points, second place finishes are worth 18 points and the fastest race lap is worth one point. After the Japanese Grand Prix, just four races will remain on the schedule, meaning that there will be a maximum of 176 points on the table for each team. This means that if Mercedes outscore Ferrari by at least 14 points at Suzuka Circuit, they will become just the second team in Formula 1 history to win six consecutive constructor championships, and they will be able to focus on going for a record seventh consecutive title next year.
Mercedes don’t need to be more than 176 points ahead of Ferrari after this race as a result of the fact that they have clinched the tiebreaker over the Prancing Horse. Mercedes have won 11 races so far this year while Ferrari have won only three, so even if Ferrari win out, they will only have eight victories compared to Mercedes’ 11.
Guenther Steiner in some real trouble with the FIA
Haas boss Guenther Steiner's scathing criticism of the stewards' call against his team in the Russian Grand Prix could prove very costly for the Italian and the US outfit. In Sochi, Haas' Kevin Magnussen was handed a 5-second time penalty during the race for venturing off track at Turn 2 while fighting Racing Point's Sergio Perez. But the Dane failed to pass to the left of the bollards placed in the corner's run-off area, a move frowned upon by the stewards who hit the driver with a penalty. Magnussen salvaged a ninth-place finish but on the cool down lap, Steiner objected to the sanction, insisting the call was made by "a stupid idiotic steward".
However, according to news reports from Germany, a post-race confrontation between the stewards and Steiner escalated, with the Haas team boss refusing to apologize for his attitude earlier in the day and lashing out at FIA steward Emanuele Pirro in particular. The clash between the two men and Steiner's attitude in Sochi has prompted the FIA to consider an exemplary punishment for Haas or its team principal.
There are three potential sanctions apparently under discussion. The FIA could send Steiner packing for a few races and restrict his access to the paddock, it could also hit Haas with a hefty $250,000 fine for bringing the sport into disrepute and finally, the governing body could deduct points from Haas' tally in the Constructors' standings. There's no doubt Steiner will be tight-lipped over the radio this weekend in Suzuka, if he's on the team's pitwall, which remains to be seen.
Daniel Ric settles lawsuit
Daniel Ricciardo and former manager Glenn Beavis have reached an amicable settlement over the $12 million lawsuit which was being heard in the UK High Court. Beavis had raised a dispute over commissions he felt were still owed to him from Ricciardo's lucrative Renault contract, signed mid-way through 2018 to commence this season. The lawsuit stated Beavis was entitled to 20 percent of Ricciardo's base salary which is believed to have been around $12 million and several other contractual fees, including the cost of the Australian driver's superlicence.
The two parties have reached an undisclosed settlement. A statement said: "Daniel Ricciardo and Glenn Beavis are pleased to confirm that they have reached an amicable settlement over the amounts due to Glenn and thus bringing to an end the proceedings in the High Court in London. Daniel and Glenn wish each other well in their future endeavours". Beavis provided management and consultancy services to Ricciardo from 2012 until the beginning of the current season. Ahead of the season opening Australian Grand Prix, Ricciardo announced a new partnership with CAA Sports.
Beavis claimed he started negotiations on Ricciardo's behalf with Renault boss Cyril Abiteboul in mid-2017, which continued into 2018 and culminated with Ricciardo signing a contract on August 2. The lawsuit stated Ricciardo told Beavis he was seeking an end to their partnership on Dec. 15, but it was agreed Beavis could continue as "there were various outstanding matters to be dealt with first, including negotiating the long form of the Renault driver contracts". Beavis said he finalised the long form Renault contract on March 7, a week before the Australian Grand Prix and before his agreement with Ricciardo ended on March 31.
Ricciardo's defence stated that "at no stage was any entitlement to commission raised or agreed", even after Beavis had agreed to stay on to finalise the Renault deal.
New teams in F1
There have been rumours for several weeks about potential new teams in Formula 1, with a couple of projects being floated in the media, clearly because those involved want to have their names out there in an effort to attract attention, presumably as they wish to raise money. This has obviously irked the Formula One Group (for some reason) and it issued a statement yesterday saying that "following publicity in recent days from several entities that have indicated their ambition to participate in the FIA Formula One World Championship from 2021, while Formula 1 appreciates their interest, we can confirm that there are no serious discussions with any persons or companies about the admission of a new team".
It is clear that the Formula One company in its modern form is not given to feeding out lots of rumours about what it is doing and prefers to keep things quiet until they are done. This is probably related to the fact that it is listed on the NASDAQ Stock Exchance and has to follow the Securities and Exchange Commission's rules and regulations, which aim to stop all kinds of market manipulation. Companies cannot stop rumours about their activities, but they can deny stories which are not true.
There have been rumours for some time that there are plans for a $200 million entry fee for the future. This may sound like a great deal of money, but it makes sense as new entrants are effectively going to be buying prize money if they are accepted as Liberty wants all those involved to have the same basic rewards, rather than the top 10 getting all the money and the others being unable to compete. The reason that there is such a high limit being proposed is because the teams are being asked to share the available money between 12 (or even 13 entrants) and that would obviously mean a reduction in what they would be getting, so the fees would be split between the teams to offset the losses. In exchange new teams (if there are any) would get instant payments from both Column 1 and Column 2, rather than having to wait to start receiving money. Thus, a new team would be able to earn about $40 million in its first season (for finishing last).
Limejuice
Well-Known Member
So, the FIA says no activity tomorrow, Saturday, in the interests of safety. Something about a typhoon, rain and general blowiness.
No FP3.
Qualifying takes place on Sunday morning at 02:00 UK time, with the race at 06:10 UK time as arranged.
It's going to be a bit busy on Sunday.
No FP3.
Qualifying takes place on Sunday morning at 02:00 UK time, with the race at 06:10 UK time as arranged.
It's going to be a bit busy on Sunday.
Limejuice
Well-Known Member
Gunter Steiner has been summoned to the Japanese GP stewards to answer for dissing the Russian GP stewards, or at least one of them.
It does rather make the stewards sound like cry-babies. "Mummy, he said a nasty thing about me! Hurt him!"
Talk about "stupid and idiotic stewards" doubling down.
It does rather make the stewards sound like cry-babies. "Mummy, he said a nasty thing about me! Hurt him!"
Talk about "stupid and idiotic stewards" doubling down.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
My insomnia didn’t have the decency to wake me in time for FP1, but I’m hoping to catch FP2 live. Quali on Sunday morning will be a bit inconvenient - I’ll probably end up watching it after the race.
I wonder if the pace difference between Merc and Ferrari in FP1 is real or illusory. The press have been talking up Ferrari’s prospects of winning every remaining race, so that’s normally a good way of knowing what won’t happen.
I wonder if the pace difference between Merc and Ferrari in FP1 is real or illusory. The press have been talking up Ferrari’s prospects of winning every remaining race, so that’s normally a good way of knowing what won’t happen.
Limejuice
Well-Known Member
Morning.
This is the last practice before qualifying on Sunday morning. We should see some genuine pace. Have Mercedes somehow gained a second on Ferrari?
Vroom.
ETA: The decision is that if they can't do qualifying on Sunday, this FP2 wil determine the grid positions. Game on!
This is the last practice before qualifying on Sunday morning. We should see some genuine pace. Have Mercedes somehow gained a second on Ferrari?
Vroom.
ETA: The decision is that if they can't do qualifying on Sunday, this FP2 wil determine the grid positions. Game on!
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
I like the idea of FP2 results setting the grid for the race - takes a lot of the guesswork out of making fantasy F1 predictions! So I’ve just chosen a HAM pole and HAM, BOT, VER podium.
I wonder what the F1 paddock will do with an unexpected day off tomorrow. More twitter activity than normal I suppose.
Edit: just realised it was in fact BOT who topped FP2.
I wonder what the F1 paddock will do with an unexpected day off tomorrow. More twitter activity than normal I suppose.
Edit: just realised it was in fact BOT who topped FP2.
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Limejuice
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MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
So, fastest in FP2, but were they sandbagging?
Groan! (Did make me chuckle though).
So who else is staring forlornly at their TV screen wishing quali were on?
Limejuice
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Limejuice
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Yup.Is anyone getting up for Quali?
I am considering it but no way I could go back to sleep so might just wake for the race
Alarm set for 01:45.
I hope to hell it ain't cancelled.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
Is anyone getting up for Quali?
I am considering it but no way I could go back to sleep so might just wake for the race
lol no.
1%er
Well-Known Member
Alright for you, the race starts at 2am for me. I'm watching the qualifying here at the bar and we will return home for the race, I shouldn't be too pissedIt is especially painful at 6am
