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Athos
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What sources? Which rule gives the Race Director the discretion to do what he did. At most, 48.12 gives the discretion to keep the safety car out if it's still necessary - nothing relevant to what happened.
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
How about we enthusiastically disagree with each other and not resort to language like this? No need for it here.
Please.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
you know even the f1 offical website is calling it a controversal result
EXPLAINED: Understanding one of the most chaotic, controversial title showdowns in F1 history | Formula 1®
In some ways, it shouldn't have been a surprise that a remarkable see-sawing title fight was settled by a remarkable see-sawing finale. After 1296 laps, it all turned on the 1297th and final. For two hours, Lewis Hamilton was on course for an unparalleled eighth title. But one lap from the end...www.formula1.com
Well here's another one. It's all very murky though.
F1 title saga set to continue with fresh Mercedes appeal after initial protest against Verstappen win rejected
Lewis Hamilton lost the lead to the Dutchman at the last lap of Sunday’s race in controversial circumstances, following a safety car and the decision of race director Michael Masi to effectively set up a one-lap shootout. Verstappen told Sky F1 he was “very relieved” immediately after his team...
uk.sports.yahoo.com
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
it greated one driver with a unfair advantage in what was a 2 horse race
during an event that started with both on equal points
the fia fucked it up but won't blame themselves publicly
why i respect the DWC result but Merc should push the appeal to punish the FIA's procedures
during an event that started with both on equal points
the fia fucked it up but won't blame themselves publicly
why i respect the DWC result but Merc should push the appeal to punish the FIA's procedures
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Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Athos
Well-Known Member
That's the Race Director excusing himself; not a rule.Well here's another one. It's all very murky though.
F1 title saga set to continue with fresh Mercedes appeal after initial protest against Verstappen win rejected
Lewis Hamilton lost the lead to the Dutchman at the last lap of Sunday’s race in controversial circumstances, following a safety car and the decision of race director Michael Masi to effectively set up a one-lap shootout. Verstappen told Sky F1 he was “very relieved” immediately after his team...
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Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Full FIA regs (PDF)
Apparently "overriding authority" includes over the other regulations in that document
Athos
Well-Known Member
It says:
15.3 The clerk of the course shall work in permanent consultation with the Race Director. The Race
Director shall have overriding authority in the following matters and the clerk of the course may
give orders in respect of them only with his express agreement:
a) The control of practice, sprint qualifying session and the race, adherence to the timetable
and, if he deems it necessary, the making of any proposal to the stewards to modify the
timetable in accordance with the Code or Sporting Regulations.
b) The stopping of any car in accordance with the Code or Sporting Regulations.
c) The stopping of practice, suspension of a sprint qualifying session or suspension of the
race in accordance with the Sporting Regulations if he deems it unsafe to continue and
ensuring that the correct restart procedure is carried out.
d) The starting procedure.
e) The use of the safety car.
That's about who should prevail in the case of a disagreement between the Race Director and Clerk of the Course; it gives the Race Director overriding authority. But it does not give him unfettered discretion to ignore the rules!
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
I guess RB and the FIA are interpreting (in good faith or otherwise...) "The Race Director shall have overriding authority in the following matters" as simply "overriding authority over anything, in any situation".
Athos
Well-Known Member
That's a bizarre stretch, and one that'd render the rules meaningless. It's pathetic of them to cling to that. They'd be better simply saying that he got it wrong in the heat of the moment, but that, the interests of the sport are better served by results being final, even when wrong, if that's what they think.
Fairly damning article here on how the race director basically ignored all the rules to make for better TV
www.theguardian.com
FIA indecision brings a confusing end for F1 fans who deserve better | Giles Richards
The manipulation of the rules by race director Michael Masi led to a Max Verstappen victory which felt more bungled than buoyant
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
I'm a relative latecomer to the sport, started watching when DC was driving for McLaren and have only really got under the skin of it in the last 10 years or so.
I find the whole backstage dramas, protests, handbags and willy waving absolutely fascinating. Almost as much as the wheel to wheel stuff on track. I do draw the line at this mismanagement by Masi/FIA.
However I think Merc should let this championship go. Appeal but only to make improvements to the system.
Masi's tell for me was when he pleaded, "Christian, Give me a minute." It reminded me of weak management I have crossed paths with before,
I find the whole backstage dramas, protests, handbags and willy waving absolutely fascinating. Almost as much as the wheel to wheel stuff on track. I do draw the line at this mismanagement by Masi/FIA.
However I think Merc should let this championship go. Appeal but only to make improvements to the system.
Masi's tell for me was when he pleaded, "Christian, Give me a minute." It reminded me of weak management I have crossed paths with before,
dessiato
🇪🇸 my spirit is crying for leaving
That has to be one of the outstanding exchanges of the season.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
"...except for any of the lapped cars behind Verstappen; they just get to watch the drivers in front of them ride off into the unlapped distance, no motor racing for them".
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
Just seen this, he is a S*n journo so apologies for that but not a direct link so hope that's OK. I had a quick glance at his timeline and he does seem to know people so it could well be true.
I desperately wanted to click on the link to Toto crowd surfing but fuck the S*n JFT96
I desperately wanted to click on the link to Toto crowd surfing but fuck the S*n JFT96
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
I could read this without a paywall, hopefully you can too.
www.thetimes.co.uk
Formula One: Toto Wolff told me I deserved to win, says Max Verstappen
Max Verstappen has revealed that Toto Wolff messaged him to say he deserved to be world champion as the Mercedes boss considered pulling his team’s appeal agai
www.thetimes.co.uk
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
So many unanswered questions, but one still sticks out for me. Why didn't the following conversation happen?
"Valterri, it's James. Lewis is in front, but Max is right behind on brand new softs. If the safety car goes in, there will be one lap of racing."
"Understood."
<Parks on the racing line, removes steering wheel and throws it into the crowd>
"Valterri, it's James. Lewis is in front, but Max is right behind on brand new softs. If the safety car goes in, there will be one lap of racing."
"Understood."
<Parks on the racing line, removes steering wheel and throws it into the crowd>
dessiato
🇪🇸 my spirit is crying for leaving
And Bottas thinks, "Fuck it, I'm not here next season, let's give Max a chance, see how good he is when it's balls out racing."
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
On a pair of brand new soft boots vs 35 lap worn hard tyres. You can argue the legalities or otherwise until the end of time, but you can't argue it was made into a fair fight that Verstappen somehow pluckily triumphed in.
