F1 2019
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Supine
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Same as every year!
1%er
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Interesting comments from Renault boss
Cyril Abiteboul has made some strange and interesting comments in the press over the last week, he is reported as saying “It was important when given the opportunity to seize the opportunity of a complete driver in Daniel last year and we don’t regret that at Renault. Just like right now we think it’s the right moment to start having some fresher blood. I think it’s a trend actually you can see in several teams. We are also interested in young drivers with our academy. We hope and expect to have possibly one driver from that academy by 2021. So it’s also a shift of dynamic to start really welcoming young drivers in our line-up. It’s not something that we would have been capable of doing two years ago but I think with more maturity in the team we can now envisage that. And that would be a good test to see if we are capable of also managing that because it’s a different type of management. Managing some who is 20, 22 or in his thirties, that’s different."
Well Renault have just signed Ocon on a two your contract and last year they signed Danny Ric on a two year contract. So it would appear that if they do intend to sign a young driver from their academy in 2021 it looks like they are giving Danny notice that he will not be there in 2021. Renault’s current test driver is Jack Aitken, the 23-year-old Briton who competes in Formula 2 for Campos Racing and sits in fourth place in the driver standings with three victories through the first 18 races. The only other Renault Sport Academy member currently competing in Formula 2 is Guanyu Zhou, the 20-year-old Chinese driver who drives for UNI-Virtuosi Racing and sits in seventh place in the driver standings.
Anthoine Hubert was a member of the Renault Sport Academy but he was tragically killed in an accident at Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps at the end of August. Abiteboul has made these comments since his death, so it would seem that Renault are looking at one of the two drivers mentioned above for 2021.
Teams are questioning Ferrari power
One of the teams is Red Bull but they can't seem to get their story straight, we have Dr Helmut Marko claiming that Red Bull are not pushing this point, while Christian Horner told the press this week “We sent a number of questions to the FIA, but have not received any answers”. It turns out that both Mercedes and Renault have spoken to the FIA about the apparent "unbelievable speed Ferrari seem to have over one lap".
After analyzing Ferrari at Spa and Monza teams are claiming that Ferrari appear to have 40kW or 54 horsepower available to them extra over 1 lap and they want the FIA to look into the Ferrari battery and changing system to ensure they are not making more power than is allowed under the rules.
Channel 4 extend F1 deal
Channel 4 and Sky have agreed a fresh deal to retain free-to-air coverage of Formula 1 in the United Kingdom beyond the end of the 2019 season. In a statement Channel 4 confirmed it had struck a new commercial contract with Sky to continue showing highlights of all races, as well as full live coverage of the British Grand Prix, on what it described as a “multi-year” deal. Sky’s exclusive rights to broadcast coverage of the championship in the UK began this year in a deal that runs until 2024, meaning Channel 4 was forced to stop its previous free-to-air live coverage.
No details have been provided over the exact length of the deal, though it is expected to continue beyond 2020. Channel 4 CEO Alex Mahon said “Channel 4 has established itself as the go-to channel for free to air television coverage of Formula 1 and we’re thrilled that motorsport fans will be able to continue to enjoy the excitement of F1 through our highlights of all the races and live coverage of the British Grand Prix”.
Cyril Abiteboul has made some strange and interesting comments in the press over the last week, he is reported as saying “It was important when given the opportunity to seize the opportunity of a complete driver in Daniel last year and we don’t regret that at Renault. Just like right now we think it’s the right moment to start having some fresher blood. I think it’s a trend actually you can see in several teams. We are also interested in young drivers with our academy. We hope and expect to have possibly one driver from that academy by 2021. So it’s also a shift of dynamic to start really welcoming young drivers in our line-up. It’s not something that we would have been capable of doing two years ago but I think with more maturity in the team we can now envisage that. And that would be a good test to see if we are capable of also managing that because it’s a different type of management. Managing some who is 20, 22 or in his thirties, that’s different."
Well Renault have just signed Ocon on a two your contract and last year they signed Danny Ric on a two year contract. So it would appear that if they do intend to sign a young driver from their academy in 2021 it looks like they are giving Danny notice that he will not be there in 2021. Renault’s current test driver is Jack Aitken, the 23-year-old Briton who competes in Formula 2 for Campos Racing and sits in fourth place in the driver standings with three victories through the first 18 races. The only other Renault Sport Academy member currently competing in Formula 2 is Guanyu Zhou, the 20-year-old Chinese driver who drives for UNI-Virtuosi Racing and sits in seventh place in the driver standings.
Anthoine Hubert was a member of the Renault Sport Academy but he was tragically killed in an accident at Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps at the end of August. Abiteboul has made these comments since his death, so it would seem that Renault are looking at one of the two drivers mentioned above for 2021.
Teams are questioning Ferrari power
One of the teams is Red Bull but they can't seem to get their story straight, we have Dr Helmut Marko claiming that Red Bull are not pushing this point, while Christian Horner told the press this week “We sent a number of questions to the FIA, but have not received any answers”. It turns out that both Mercedes and Renault have spoken to the FIA about the apparent "unbelievable speed Ferrari seem to have over one lap".
After analyzing Ferrari at Spa and Monza teams are claiming that Ferrari appear to have 40kW or 54 horsepower available to them extra over 1 lap and they want the FIA to look into the Ferrari battery and changing system to ensure they are not making more power than is allowed under the rules.
Channel 4 extend F1 deal
Channel 4 and Sky have agreed a fresh deal to retain free-to-air coverage of Formula 1 in the United Kingdom beyond the end of the 2019 season. In a statement Channel 4 confirmed it had struck a new commercial contract with Sky to continue showing highlights of all races, as well as full live coverage of the British Grand Prix, on what it described as a “multi-year” deal. Sky’s exclusive rights to broadcast coverage of the championship in the UK began this year in a deal that runs until 2024, meaning Channel 4 was forced to stop its previous free-to-air live coverage.
No details have been provided over the exact length of the deal, though it is expected to continue beyond 2020. Channel 4 CEO Alex Mahon said “Channel 4 has established itself as the go-to channel for free to air television coverage of Formula 1 and we’re thrilled that motorsport fans will be able to continue to enjoy the excitement of F1 through our highlights of all the races and live coverage of the British Grand Prix”.
1%er
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Driver movement
It appears that Haas will retain their current driver line-up so there is no place in that team for Nico Hulkenberg, so can he remain in F1 for 2020? There are options but they are getting less and less. Williams have announced that they will not be keeping Robert Kubica, so there is a chance the Hulk could end up there, but the smart money seems to think he will be replaced by Nicholas Latifi, although personally I believe Williams will need a driver with experience to help develop their 2020 car. They don't have any money so I'm not sure they could afford Hulkenberg, but he could still land there.
The only teams who haven't got both drivers signed up for 2020 are Red Bull, Toro Rosso and Alfa Romeo, could the Hulk replace Antonio Giovinazzi or will Alfa stick with him for next season. Hulkenberg is in the press claiming “There is definitely interest and options that we are working on, there are negotiations and talks, but nothing concrete has been decided yet. But if I want, I’ll get another race seat”. Well for sure he wants but what is realistically available? Helmut Marko and Christian Horner remain steadfast in wanting to promote from within, they have both said that publicly.
Robert Kubica is being linked in the Polish press with a move to Racing Point, not replacing one of their drivers but as their reserve driver, I'm not sure I put a lot of store in that, the press reports appear to be based around the fact that Racing Point’s commercial director Stephen Curnow recently visited the headquarters of PKN Orlen. Orlen are a Polish oil company that currently sponsors Kubica’s current F1 team Williams. So maybe the reporters are putting 2 & 2 together and making 5 as Racing Point could have been there looking for sponsorship and nothing to do with Kubica.
Adrian Newey to headup Extreme E
Acclaimed Formula 1 designer Adrian Newey will head a team in Extreme E, the 'environment-focused' race series. The 60-year-old will be the 'lead visionary' for the Veloce team when the series begins in February 2021. Newey is Red Bull Racing's chief technical officer, designing the cars that powered Sebastian Vettel to four F1 world titles between 2010 and 2013. Extreme E will see 12 teams and drivers go head-to-head in fully-electric 4x4 SUV cars.
Alongside Newey, Veloce, who are associated with the Veloce Esports organisation, have named the designer's son Harrison Newey and two-time Formula E champion Jean-Eric Vergne as two of the five co-founders. The Extreme E driver programme was announced last week, with British drivers Jamie Chadwick and Katherine Legge named in it. Veloce join Formula E associated teams Venturi, ABT, and HWA, as the first confirmed outfits.
It appears that Haas will retain their current driver line-up so there is no place in that team for Nico Hulkenberg, so can he remain in F1 for 2020? There are options but they are getting less and less. Williams have announced that they will not be keeping Robert Kubica, so there is a chance the Hulk could end up there, but the smart money seems to think he will be replaced by Nicholas Latifi, although personally I believe Williams will need a driver with experience to help develop their 2020 car. They don't have any money so I'm not sure they could afford Hulkenberg, but he could still land there.
The only teams who haven't got both drivers signed up for 2020 are Red Bull, Toro Rosso and Alfa Romeo, could the Hulk replace Antonio Giovinazzi or will Alfa stick with him for next season. Hulkenberg is in the press claiming “There is definitely interest and options that we are working on, there are negotiations and talks, but nothing concrete has been decided yet. But if I want, I’ll get another race seat”. Well for sure he wants but what is realistically available? Helmut Marko and Christian Horner remain steadfast in wanting to promote from within, they have both said that publicly.
Robert Kubica is being linked in the Polish press with a move to Racing Point, not replacing one of their drivers but as their reserve driver, I'm not sure I put a lot of store in that, the press reports appear to be based around the fact that Racing Point’s commercial director Stephen Curnow recently visited the headquarters of PKN Orlen. Orlen are a Polish oil company that currently sponsors Kubica’s current F1 team Williams. So maybe the reporters are putting 2 & 2 together and making 5 as Racing Point could have been there looking for sponsorship and nothing to do with Kubica.
Adrian Newey to headup Extreme E
Acclaimed Formula 1 designer Adrian Newey will head a team in Extreme E, the 'environment-focused' race series. The 60-year-old will be the 'lead visionary' for the Veloce team when the series begins in February 2021. Newey is Red Bull Racing's chief technical officer, designing the cars that powered Sebastian Vettel to four F1 world titles between 2010 and 2013. Extreme E will see 12 teams and drivers go head-to-head in fully-electric 4x4 SUV cars.
Alongside Newey, Veloce, who are associated with the Veloce Esports organisation, have named the designer's son Harrison Newey and two-time Formula E champion Jean-Eric Vergne as two of the five co-founders. The Extreme E driver programme was announced last week, with British drivers Jamie Chadwick and Katherine Legge named in it. Veloce join Formula E associated teams Venturi, ABT, and HWA, as the first confirmed outfits.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Re: “haze” in Singapore
Well good to see the BBC news website getting some true expert insight on the situation and how the haze might affect the race:
Professor Koh Tieh Yong of the Singapore University of Social Sciences offered this gem of an observation!
“If you're going to have a race where the performances of your drivers are all compromised and they cannot perform as normal, then what is the point of having the race?" Mr Koh said.
"Are they really competing to the best of their abilities - or is it just a lucky one who drove through a patch of clearer air and won?"
Yes, well of course that is how Formula one racing works, isn’t it? Amazing that the BBC not only found such a clueless nugget of an “expert”, but then saw fit to publish his brainless witterings on a story linked from the front page of their website. BBC journalism really is dire these days.
Rant off..
Well good to see the BBC news website getting some true expert insight on the situation and how the haze might affect the race:
Professor Koh Tieh Yong of the Singapore University of Social Sciences offered this gem of an observation!
“If you're going to have a race where the performances of your drivers are all compromised and they cannot perform as normal, then what is the point of having the race?" Mr Koh said.
"Are they really competing to the best of their abilities - or is it just a lucky one who drove through a patch of clearer air and won?"
Yes, well of course that is how Formula one racing works, isn’t it? Amazing that the BBC not only found such a clueless nugget of an “expert”, but then saw fit to publish his brainless witterings on a story linked from the front page of their website. BBC journalism really is dire these days.
Rant off..
1%er
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I think maybe because the race starts at 1.10 tomorrow in your part of the world
Limejuice
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Especially as Lewis said after the last race that he NOW understood what is acceptable racing for the stewards...
1%er
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Danny Ric disqualified from qualifying
It seem that having qualified in 8th he will have to start the race from the pit lane because it appears that his MGU-K was giving more than 120kw (161hp), which is the maximum allowed under the rules. The stewards claim that a reading above that figure was taken during Q1 in qualifying.
It seem that having qualified in 8th he will have to start the race from the pit lane because it appears that his MGU-K was giving more than 120kw (161hp), which is the maximum allowed under the rules. The stewards claim that a reading above that figure was taken during Q1 in qualifying.
weltweit
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How can they monitor this?
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
FFS that man needs a break
1%er
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Morning all, I'll take a safety car in the first 10 laps 
Renault claims Daniel Ricciardo was disqualified from qualifying for a 0.000001 second advantage after his MGU-K exceeded the maximum power output of 120kW. The gain is equal to one microsecond and Renault claims it was caused by the Australian hitting a kerb, but conceded the rules were broken and therefore they would't be appealing his exclusion.
"Renault F1 Team acknowledges the decision from the FIA stewards to disqualify Daniel Ricciardo from the qualifying session of the Singapore Grand Prix," the team said in a statement. "After he benefitted from an advantage measured at one-microsecond due to a kerb hit that caused his MGU-K to over-rev on his slowest lap of Q1. The decision will therefore not be appealed."
The race stewards explained their decision to disqualify Ricciardo hinged on the wording of the rules, whereby claiming no advantage was claimed is not sufficient enough to avoid a penalty. "The team’s defence rested on two points. First, that the excess was very small and offered no measurable benefit. Second, that the excess occurred during the second fastest lap during Q1. The team explained to the stewards how they believe the excess occurred, however the stewards consider this information to be confidential to the team, and not relevant to this decision. Notwithstanding the team’s arguments, the stewards take note of the very clear wording of Article 1.2.2 ISC, which states that [If an Automobile is found not to comply with the applicable technical regulations, it shall be no defense to claim that no performance advantage was obtained].
Ricciardo qualified eighth but will start the race from the back of the grid.
Well it isn't difficult to measure voltage and F1 cars send an massive amount of data from the car to the pits, so I guess the FIA have a device that measure the power coming from the MGU-K. Teams have written to the FIA about the power coming from the Ferrari's so I'd guess are looking at this information closely at the moment.
Renault claims Daniel Ricciardo was disqualified from qualifying for a 0.000001 second advantage after his MGU-K exceeded the maximum power output of 120kW. The gain is equal to one microsecond and Renault claims it was caused by the Australian hitting a kerb, but conceded the rules were broken and therefore they would't be appealing his exclusion.
"Renault F1 Team acknowledges the decision from the FIA stewards to disqualify Daniel Ricciardo from the qualifying session of the Singapore Grand Prix," the team said in a statement. "After he benefitted from an advantage measured at one-microsecond due to a kerb hit that caused his MGU-K to over-rev on his slowest lap of Q1. The decision will therefore not be appealed."
The race stewards explained their decision to disqualify Ricciardo hinged on the wording of the rules, whereby claiming no advantage was claimed is not sufficient enough to avoid a penalty. "The team’s defence rested on two points. First, that the excess was very small and offered no measurable benefit. Second, that the excess occurred during the second fastest lap during Q1. The team explained to the stewards how they believe the excess occurred, however the stewards consider this information to be confidential to the team, and not relevant to this decision. Notwithstanding the team’s arguments, the stewards take note of the very clear wording of Article 1.2.2 ISC, which states that [If an Automobile is found not to comply with the applicable technical regulations, it shall be no defense to claim that no performance advantage was obtained].
Ricciardo qualified eighth but will start the race from the back of the grid.
Limejuice
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I think the stewards need to extract their heads from their arses.
What's the purpose of a rule? Rules are put in place to stop one driver taking an advantage. No advantage; no penalty. If not, stewards are enforcing rules for their own sake.
If trying to drive another car off a track merits no more than a waved flag, but a theoretical (it wasn't his fastest lap) microsecond advantage deserves disqualification?
The stewards are wrong, and Renault are supine for not appealing it.
What's the purpose of a rule? Rules are put in place to stop one driver taking an advantage. No advantage; no penalty. If not, stewards are enforcing rules for their own sake.
If trying to drive another car off a track merits no more than a waved flag, but a theoretical (it wasn't his fastest lap) microsecond advantage deserves disqualification?
The stewards are wrong, and Renault are supine for not appealing it.
1%er
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Are the stewards wrong or is the rule wrong?I think the stewards need to extract their heads from their arses.
What's the purpose of a rule? Rules are put in place to stop one driver taking an advantage. No advantage; no penalty. If not, stewards are enforcing rules for their own sake.
If trying to drive another car off a track merits no more than a waved flag, but a theoretical (it wasn't his fastest lap) microsecond advantage deserves disqualification?
The stewards are wrong, and Renault are supine for not appealing it.
I'm not disagreeing with you in your sentiment, but this is a rule that has a maximum measurement, no different to the rules that cover the weight of the car, the height of the car, the temperature of the fuel etc. They don't have a grey area, the rule says what it says and they have to apply the rules. If they had discretion people would complain they didn't apply the rules in this case but did in that case.
If the ball crosses the goal line by just a thousand of an inch it is still a goal, the Ref can't say "well it didn't cross it by very much so i'm not going to give it".
