F1 2019
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Limejuice
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He'd come out ahead of Danny RIc...
Worn tires and a flat spot for Lewis? Not worth him stopping for new tires?
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At very least he could get the fastest lap point if they bring Lewis in.
Limejuice
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That's the big takeaway for me.
On a track that Ferrari should have slaughtered Mercedes on, they didn't. They were pushed all the way, and it still took a bit of Schumacherism from Leclerc to fend off Mercedes.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Which will be absolutely hilarious.
Getting 2nd, 3rd and damn close to 1st is a strong showing for sure. Also cheeky fastest lap for Hamilton.
Vettel could hardly have had a worse race
1%er
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Good weekend for Renault, they need to beat McLaren well and get good points, it will be really embarrassing for them to be beaten by a customer team.
I think it says a lot about how good Vettel really is/was, will not look good in the history books
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
While I know a good part of being world champion is getting yourself into the right team at the right time, I’ve always been of the opinion that Vettel’s talents were flattered by the RedBull car.
1%er
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I agree I've never thought of him as a great driver
Also 34 points for Mercedes and 25 for Ferrari on the day.
Whilst Leclerc is catching Verstappen, Vettel is down to 5th in the driver standings. No chance of him dropping lower than 5th but has to consistently do better than Leclerc and Verstappen to get near/back in the top three.
Whilst Leclerc is catching Verstappen, Vettel is down to 5th in the driver standings. No chance of him dropping lower than 5th but has to consistently do better than Leclerc and Verstappen to get near/back in the top three.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I think of him as maybe a “2 championship” sort of level. But 4? Nah.
Still, ultimately wins are wins etc
Limejuice
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My TV says the Notebook is at 5pm (UK time).
1%er
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Sky did really well there to get the race director to the sky pad, but that could be doggie giving out that kind of into into the public domain. Keeps thing honest I guess. Better to touch than avoid an accident I took from that.
That's about 15 minutes then, thanks
1%er
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shift+F1 is Ok as is Missed Apex F1 there are loads out there if you do a google search, I'm sure you'll find a couple that suit youDoes anyone listen to any good F1 podcasts btw ?
There are a couple of footy podcasts I follow but nothing on F1
E2A there are some good youtube channels as well, but you really need to work through them to see which ones you like, some are really shit
1%er
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Williams F1 post massive half-year loss
Williams F1 made a small profit for the first half year of 2018, some £200,000, but have made a massive loss for the first half of 2019. Williams are a listed company (they are listed on the Frankfurt stock exchange as Williams Grand Prix Holdings PLC). As a public company they have to produce half yearly accounts for share holders and this year they have shown a loss of £16.8 million January-June 2019. Their sister company Williams Advanced Engineering, part of the Williams group did offset some of that loss by showing a £9m profit.
The vast majority of their losses came from the big drop in prize money from Formula 1 but they also lost a lot of money because Lance Stroll leaving meant that Lawrence Stroll took his millions to Racing point. they also lost sponsorship money from Lance Stroll and Sergey Sirotkin, their current drivers didn't bring in anywhere near the sponsorship they lost. They also lost their title sponsor in Martini who were paying millions more than their current sponsor ROKiT.
They are going to finish last in this years championship which is very likely going to put even more financial pressure on the team, can they survive this continued drop in money. Well Frank still owns 51.3% with Brad Hollinger holding 11.7%, Patrick Head has 9.3% and 3.6% is held by the employee trust fund, so just 24.1% is held on the public market place. Between them Frank, Brad and Patrick could see around another 24% and still keep control, but having read about Frank Williams in a number of book I'm sure he will want to try and keep full control.
While Williams Advanced Engineering keeps managing to keep the team afloat, they have a good chance of staying in F1, but a large drop in their income could see a takeover. Formula 1 pays prize money in year in arrears, so William will need to improve hugely in 2020 to any increase in prize money for 2021, as this year and next they will get 10th place money (they finished last in 2018 and look likely to do the same in 2019).
Haas and Rich Energy part company
So it looks like the inevitable has happen and Haas has lost their title sponsor Rich Energy effective immediately. The now-former title sponsor of Haas had been the source of discussion at the British Grand Prix in July when former Rich Energy CEO William Storey announced that he had terminated the partnership. As both Haas and the shareholders of Rich Energy sought to recover the partnership, Storey was removed as CEO under suspicion that he personally went rogue by announcing the split on social media. The agreement was eventually rekindled.
Now, however, a split seems more permanent. Haas team boss Guenther Steiner had said recently that a decision on the partnership going forward would be made ahead of the Singapore Grand Prix, the next race on the current calendar. “Haas F1 Team and Rich Energy have amicably agreed to end their partnership together in the FIA Formula One World Championship with immediate effect. While enjoying substantial brand recognition and significant exposure through its title partnership of Haas F1 Team in 2019, a corporate restructuring process at Rich Energy will see the need for a revised global strategy. Subsequently, Haas F1 Team and Rich Energy concluded a termination of the existing partnership was the best way forward for both parties. Haas F1 Team would like to express its thanks and best wishes to the stakeholders at Rich Energy”.
The team will continue to run in their black and gold livery for the remainder of the season, but it will not feature the Rich Energy branding.
Williams F1 made a small profit for the first half year of 2018, some £200,000, but have made a massive loss for the first half of 2019. Williams are a listed company (they are listed on the Frankfurt stock exchange as Williams Grand Prix Holdings PLC). As a public company they have to produce half yearly accounts for share holders and this year they have shown a loss of £16.8 million January-June 2019. Their sister company Williams Advanced Engineering, part of the Williams group did offset some of that loss by showing a £9m profit.
The vast majority of their losses came from the big drop in prize money from Formula 1 but they also lost a lot of money because Lance Stroll leaving meant that Lawrence Stroll took his millions to Racing point. they also lost sponsorship money from Lance Stroll and Sergey Sirotkin, their current drivers didn't bring in anywhere near the sponsorship they lost. They also lost their title sponsor in Martini who were paying millions more than their current sponsor ROKiT.
They are going to finish last in this years championship which is very likely going to put even more financial pressure on the team, can they survive this continued drop in money. Well Frank still owns 51.3% with Brad Hollinger holding 11.7%, Patrick Head has 9.3% and 3.6% is held by the employee trust fund, so just 24.1% is held on the public market place. Between them Frank, Brad and Patrick could see around another 24% and still keep control, but having read about Frank Williams in a number of book I'm sure he will want to try and keep full control.
While Williams Advanced Engineering keeps managing to keep the team afloat, they have a good chance of staying in F1, but a large drop in their income could see a takeover. Formula 1 pays prize money in year in arrears, so William will need to improve hugely in 2020 to any increase in prize money for 2021, as this year and next they will get 10th place money (they finished last in 2018 and look likely to do the same in 2019).
Haas and Rich Energy part company
So it looks like the inevitable has happen and Haas has lost their title sponsor Rich Energy effective immediately. The now-former title sponsor of Haas had been the source of discussion at the British Grand Prix in July when former Rich Energy CEO William Storey announced that he had terminated the partnership. As both Haas and the shareholders of Rich Energy sought to recover the partnership, Storey was removed as CEO under suspicion that he personally went rogue by announcing the split on social media. The agreement was eventually rekindled.
Now, however, a split seems more permanent. Haas team boss Guenther Steiner had said recently that a decision on the partnership going forward would be made ahead of the Singapore Grand Prix, the next race on the current calendar. “Haas F1 Team and Rich Energy have amicably agreed to end their partnership together in the FIA Formula One World Championship with immediate effect. While enjoying substantial brand recognition and significant exposure through its title partnership of Haas F1 Team in 2019, a corporate restructuring process at Rich Energy will see the need for a revised global strategy. Subsequently, Haas F1 Team and Rich Energy concluded a termination of the existing partnership was the best way forward for both parties. Haas F1 Team would like to express its thanks and best wishes to the stakeholders at Rich Energy”.
The team will continue to run in their black and gold livery for the remainder of the season, but it will not feature the Rich Energy branding.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Well I hope you’re all ready to enjoy the only weekend in September without a Grand Prix (September has 5 Sundays this year, 4 with races!)
If you didn’t already watch it, the Jolyon Palmer analysis of Monza incidents is well worth a watch. Palmer has evolved from a reasonably bad F1 driver into a truly excellent pundit and I think his content (given out for free on YouTube) surpasses the quality of the “skypad” stuff SkyF1 put out on their subscription channel
He hints at it in this video, but went far further in the BBC Chequered flag podcast in accusing the race director and stewards of applying penalties (or leniency) based on a driver’s perceived reputation rather than the details of the actual incident. I think that’s why he cites his 5 second penalty at Monza for cutting the chicane against Alonso and contrasts it with “golden boy” Albon’s Corner cutting overtake of Magnussen during the 2019 race.
I assume Liberty Media’s strategy is to offer increasing free F1 content over the next few years (their YouTube channel is a gem these days!) to wean viewers off their TV broadcasters, and then when the technology is ready, suddenly the switch to everything behind a streaming paywall with consumers subscribing directly to F1TV Pro and no TV rights sold any more.
If you didn’t already watch it, the Jolyon Palmer analysis of Monza incidents is well worth a watch. Palmer has evolved from a reasonably bad F1 driver into a truly excellent pundit and I think his content (given out for free on YouTube) surpasses the quality of the “skypad” stuff SkyF1 put out on their subscription channel
He hints at it in this video, but went far further in the BBC Chequered flag podcast in accusing the race director and stewards of applying penalties (or leniency) based on a driver’s perceived reputation rather than the details of the actual incident. I think that’s why he cites his 5 second penalty at Monza for cutting the chicane against Alonso and contrasts it with “golden boy” Albon’s Corner cutting overtake of Magnussen during the 2019 race.
I assume Liberty Media’s strategy is to offer increasing free F1 content over the next few years (their YouTube channel is a gem these days!) to wean viewers off their TV broadcasters, and then when the technology is ready, suddenly the switch to everything behind a streaming paywall with consumers subscribing directly to F1TV Pro and no TV rights sold any more.
