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Donald Trump protest in central London, Friday 13th July

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On Friday 13 July thousands of Londoners took to the streets to protest the arrival of US President Donald Trump on these shores. Trump wasn’t in London, but having tea with the Queen in Windsor Castle. Undeterred, around 100,000 people attended the protest – mostly students, middle-class women and muslims – which was interpreted as a show of popular sentiment. A quick look at the numerous placards, however, showed that the protest was, in fact, a coalition of the usual suspects – the Socialist Workers Party, the People’s Assembly against Austerity and Momentum, with the organisers – typically for the left there are two groups (the SWP’s Stand Up To Trump and Owen Jones’ Stop Trump) both claiming precedence, neither talking to each other – a role-call of Labour politicians, Labour supporters and Labour-supporting unions. In other words, this was another Labour political spectacle, and, of course, Oh Jeremy Corbyn was given a platform from which to blather on about ‘a world of justice’. I’ve written before about Labour’s appropriation of the language of street protest to its parliamentary aspirations, and this was no exception, with Trump’s presence offering another opportunity to attack the Conservative government of Theresa May – as if a Labour government under Oh Jeremy Corbyn wouldn’t meet with the President of the USA on which so many of our post-Brexit trade deals will rely.

Besides the evangelical Labour leader, the centrepiece of the protest was
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Pickman's model said:
But what do you think?
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I understand his frustration that fewer people will take an active interest in the issues he campaigns on, than will show up for a protest where hate can be easily directed at an individual, and where a cause can be supported without first understanding quite complicated context.
 
agricola said:
Of course they need to go after him, but they need to do it properly and not in the self-enriching way that they have been.

Everything that is highlighted by the media as wrong about Trump - the sexism, the racism, the rudeness, the vulgarity, the inhumanity of his (and the GOPs) policies - are things that are at best surprising to noone (given that even a two second glance at him would probably tell you what he is) and at worst actively appeal to some sections of his support. What is worse is that by focusing on it all day every day it makes things that were already demonstrably ineffective at dealing with him even less so, especially at election time. However to not fill the airwaves with outrage about him would mean that they would have to spend money finding other things to fill the airwave - like actual news (eg the murder of more than a hundred people across Pakistan yesterday, about which we heard nary a peep) or things about him that would actually damage him.
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It doesn't look like the outragedatariat* get that.

*actually, its the offenderati.
 
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FridgeMagnet said:
The Welcome Trump one was a diversion; there were a few thousand in and around Trafalgar Square before 2pm (where they should not have been according to the cops, who put a Section 12 on, but nothing happened about it) who then moved down Whitehall. The Welcome Trump lot (a couple of hundred at most I'd say) dribbled in well after everyone else was there.

It's a bit hard to judge numbers without going round every pub in the area and counting them. Not wanting to play up to stereotypes or anything but all the Free Tommy demos either have loads of people who just never leave the pub, or they get waylaid by a pub on the way there or while actually marching. Like I say, I'd estimate a few thousand though. Didn't see any Generation Identity for a change.

eta: the cops will probably use the ignoring of the Section 12 as a reason to impose further restrictions on future demos, which will of course get broadcast over YouTube and Twitter as the establishment suppressing free speech.
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If it was just males, etc, no families, then until something awful happens in the UK again, they may have peaked.
 
teuchter said:
I understand his frustration that fewer people will take an active interest in the issues he campaigns on, than will show up for a protest where hate can be easily directed at an individual, and where a cause can be supported without first understanding quite complicated context.
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Ah, nuance..
 
I was wondering because the manifesto make outs there are more, sound great, though bit more radical than me, LP member, etc.
 
treelover said:
If it was just males, etc, no families, then until something awful happens in the UK again, they may have peaked.
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It generally skewed far more towards the stereotypical far right demographic - middle-aged male football hooligans - though there were definitely women there, and also a number of people who seemed to have come off the internet. There were definitely no families there (or if there were they didn't hang about).

I've always thought that this was the direction that things were going, dropping off of general support as the political motivations become more apparent until it's just the core left again, but the question is how long this will take.
 
Watching a FB feed of the TR protest, shared by a colleague... Unity News Network, if you're interested. Victim card is being played. ;)
 
The news coverage of the various protests is positive, thus negative for Trump.
The only slight issue seems to be the pilot doing naughty things in no fly zones, but I suspect the official outrage is really down to the fact the officials were pretty crap at enforcing a no fly zone, and all very much in public.
Let's hope no one finds out who he is.
 
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Right wing American reaction (online) in this neck of the woods is predictable. Apparently the protesters were paid/unemployed/mentally ill/immigrants/losers/only a few hundred etc etc.
 
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