Do you disapprove of people who are planning an overseas holiday this summer?

[2hats]

Question: are airplanes with their air system circulation thingies safer or worse than sitting in a room with say 200 strangers for a couple of hours?
if 1 in 95 brits has covid right now (apparently) then likely it’ll be joining us on any given outgoing flight.

Bear in mind that that 1-in-95 is already six days out of date.

Not delta/B.1.617.2 but an example for an early type variant...

DOI: 10.3201/eid2611.203299.

 

[bimble]

The moral of the story is.. don't sit in business class??
Crikey. Looks just like a plan i saw of an office infection spread.

 

[2hats]

The moral of the story is.. don't sit in business class??
Crikey. Looks just like a plan i saw of an office infection spread.

Don't sit anywhere near anyone infected. They are, of course, easy to spot.

 

[bimble]

I'm quite frightened of the flight. I haven't sat close to a stranger at all for a very long time . I assume there's no handing out snacks so everyone takes their mask off for half an hour to eat fancy peanuts.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Fuck even thinking about going overseas, if things can change so fast...

COVID-19: Ministers to decide if France will be moved to red travel list within days

Sources have told Sky News that ministers are under pressure to make a decision before the end of the school term.

news.sky.com

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

France now added to amber+ list; all amber countries are basically green, except France which is still amber with 10 days quarantine.

Fully accept there needs to be robust borders for Covid, but this flim-flamming is fucking criminal and appears to be designed to destroy airlines and travel firms.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Ah well, not gonna visit my mum anytime soon then, not that I would go on public transport but can't afford the loss of income from the quarantine on the way back.

 

[miss direct]

I'm quite frightened of the flight. I haven't sat close to a stranger at all for a very long time . I assume there's no handing out snacks so everyone takes their mask off for half an hour to eat fancy peanuts.

I wouldn't assume that. Which airline? Many are still giving out drinks and meals or snacks. If you're worried, keep your mask on, wait till anyone near you has finished and then eat yours.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I'm quite frightened of the flight. I haven't sat close to a stranger at all for a very long time . I assume there's no handing out snacks so everyone takes their mask off for half an hour to eat fancy peanuts.

Food and drink is served so masks come off for that. The US military and United Airlines conducted extensive experiments around this and but seems the chances of catching it on a flight are tiny, airports are spotless but still have pinch-points which are the bigger worry.

 

[cupid_stunt]

France now added to amber+ list; all amber countries are basically green, except France which is still amber with 10 days quarantine.

Apparently it's to do with concerns over the Beta variant, which is taking off in France, and the fear that the AZ vaccine in particular has very low efficacy against it.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Food and drink is served so masks come off for that. The US military and United Airlines conducted extensive experiments around this and but seems the chances of catching it on a flight are tiny, airports are spotless but still have pinch-points which are the bigger worry.

Every industry out there has produced “evidence” that there’s little transmission in their particular field - from airlines to restaurants, pubs, hospitality events, festivals etc etc Yet here we are with cases going through the roof. Almost as if it’s anything that puts people in close contact that’s the problem

 

[bimble]

Chances of catching it on a flight seems like it just depends on whether someone sat close to you has covid. They probably won’t but they might. I think it’s pretty much established now that surfaces aren’t the problem people are.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Every industry out there has produced “evidence” that there’s little transmission in their particular field - from airlines to restaurants, pubs, hospitality events, festivals etc etc Yet here we are with cases going through the roof. Almost as if it’s anything that puts people in close contact that’s the problem

This wasn't the industry doing it though, the US military needed to know if they deployed troops (who travel in regular passenger style aircraft) to action whether they would all come down with plague or not. Not is what they found.

DoD Test of Viral Spread on Commercial Planes Reveals Good News, General Says

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Covid: Fully jabbed arrivals from France must still quarantine

A planned relaxation of England's rules from Monday will not apply due to cases of the Beta variant.

www.bbc.co.uk

Willie Walsh, the director-general of the International Air Transport Association said "the UK has no coherent policy on international travel"

He would say that, wouldn't he.

To demonstrate how coherent their policy is...

But ministers indicated that Eurostar passengers on services travelling through France would not need to quarantine if their train did not stop in the country.

There is one Eurostar service a day to the UK that originates outside France, it starts in Amsterdam and stops in Brussels. And Lille

 

[bimble]

Yeah the air circulation system on planes doesn't seem to make things worse and may well help depending on specifics. So it is just important to choose a seat that is not next to the covid person. Transmission of SARS-CoV 2 During Long-Haul Flight

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Yeah the air circulation system on planes doesn't seem to make things worse and may well help depending on specifics. So it is just important to choose a seat that is not next to the covid person. Transmission of SARS-CoV 2 During Long-Haul Flight

Swiss Air are doing this with their Euro-business class right now:



So any A seat is pretty good...

 

[Yossarian]

This wasn't the industry doing it though, the US military needed to know if they deployed troops (who travel in regular passenger style aircraft) to action whether they would all come down with plague or not. Not is what they found.

DoD Test of Viral Spread on Commercial Planes Reveals Good News, General Says

Yep, from all the studies, planes seem to be a lot safer than almost any other indoor environment - trouble is, the research people are going by involved original COVID. With the much more infectious variants now dominating, the risks of flying seem largely unknown, though there don't seem to have been any major outbreaks linked to flights.

 

[bimble]

Swiss Air are doing this with their Euro-business class right now:

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So any A seat is pretty good...

Brilliant, if you can afford it you get to reduce your risk a lot. Same as ever.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Brilliant, if you can afford it you get to reduce your risk a lot. Same as ever.

Log on to Flight Radar and just see how many private jets are currently whizzing about the place, companies renting them are booming right now. Most you don't need to wear masks on either...

 

[bimble]

i'll just try my best to save my fancy peanuts til everyone else has eaten theirs. it will be hard.

 

[2hats]

This wasn't the industry doing it though, the US military needed to know if they deployed troops (who travel in regular passenger style aircraft) to action whether they would all come down with plague or not. Not is what they found.

DoD Test of Viral Spread on Commercial Planes Reveals Good News, General Says

Slight problem with their test methodology - they used a peak of 4000 virions/hour (based on earlier non-SARS-CoV-2 human coronavirus studies).

Even pre-delta, SARS-CoV-2 peaks of >10^7 virions/hour were seen. PCR testing would suggest that this is even higher with B.1.617.2 (up to a thousand-fold).

 

[Spymaster]

Slight problem with their test methodology - they used a peak of 4000 virions/hour (based on earlier non-SARS-CoV-2 human coronavirus studies).

Even pre-delta, SARS-CoV-2 peaks of >10^7 virions/hour were seen. PCR testing would suggest that this is even higher with B.1.617.2.

Exactly.

Ffs Bahnhof Strasse, how did you miss that?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I feel so ashamed right now, could have sworn it was 10^6 virions/hour and not 10^7 virions/hour

 

[Johnny Doe]

I wouldn't assume that. Which airline? Many are still giving out drinks and meals or snacks. If you're worried, keep your mask on, wait till anyone near you has finished and then eat yours.

For a practical example. We flew to Mallorca on Friday with Jet 2 and trolley service was pretty much as normal. Everyone seemed to abide by mask rules and they'd spaced groups out pretty well.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Hope you and your family are having a lovely holiday Harry Smiles

 

[Johnny Doe]

Hope you and your family are having a lovely holiday Harry Smiles

Thanks, we really are. Having a few autism struggles with the oldest today, but don't usually have the offer of water slides to change up his mood

 

[bimble]

Bahnhof Strasse you know this stuff. I heard a 3rd hand rumour that easy jet has just stopped all its flights to Switzerland between now and start of September. Popped to their website and it seems to be true, you cant book anything uk-swiss before September.
Any idea why this might have happened?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Bahnhof Strasse you know this stuff. I heard a 3rd hand rumour that easy jet has just stopped all its flights to Switzerland between now and start of September. Popped to their website and it seems to be true, you cant book anything uk-swiss before September.
Any idea why this might have happened?

Lack of demand; hardly anyone wants to fly to Switzerland as their rules are so fluid, something along the lines of, if the country you come from has >10% the cases that Switzerland has, then you can't come in. BA has hardly any routes operating in northern Europe either.

 

[bimble]

does that mean quite likely flights already booked from plague island to there will get cancelled?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

does that mean quite likely flights already booked from plague island to there will get cancelled?

Are you booked with Swissair (just Swiss these days, but everyone still calls them Swissair)?