How do you feel about unvaccinated people?

[planetgeli]

why should we give a flying fuck about what people choose or not to put into themselves?

Because what they may not have chosen to put into themselves could affect the lives of others, and because some of the reasons for some people choosing not to vax, and being actively anti-vax, were part of a wider right wing pile of shite.

 

[NoXion]

I understand completely. Doesn't mean I form opinion of others based on their choices though, which answers the question posed by the OP.

If their choices mean that they're putting others at increased risk for stupid reasons (jebus FFS), then I reserve the right to judge.

 

[jontz01]

It's not all about you though, is it? Being vaccinated means you're less likely to pass on the virus to someone who isn't as lucky as your nan.

Indeed. Which is why I'm vaccinated myself.

 

[jontz01]

Oooo I rattled the cage tonight

By declaring that I personally, dont judge others through their choice to vaccinate or not.

 

[scifisam]

I understand completely. Doesn't mean I form opinion of others based on their choices though, which answers the question posed by the OP.

I do, but it depends on their reasons and how vocal and arseholish they are about it. If it's for conspiraloon reasons, like it often is, I will judge them for that.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I'm going to just ask for one when I take my daughter for her next one, and I'm pretty sure they'll just whip out an extra needle no problem.

I wouldn't be so sure. I had an appointment and when I rocked up it was pretty empty, they were certainly not ready to just accept me on my say so. I showed them a letter which contained a recent report from a hospital blood specialist updating my GP that I am automatically copied into (sent in the post). It mentions the condition and that it is ongoing (several years). . . Because it wasn't a letter signed by my GP telling them to give me the jab they went off and scrutinised it with doctor that they had hiding somewhere who eventually waved me through. I'm not saying that you won't get in, but even though I had an appointment and a letter I would have not gotten a jab had the doctor not been around (he didn't appear to be anything to do with the actual processing etc.

 

[scifisam]

I wouldn't be so sure. I had an appointment and when I rocked up it was pretty empty, they were certainly not ready to just accept me on my say so. I showed them a letter which contained a recent report from a hospital blood specialist updating my GP that I am automatically copied into (sent in the post). It mentions the condition and that it is ongoing (several years). . . Because it wasn't a letter signed by my GP telling them to give me the jab they went off and scrutinised it with doctor that they had hiding somewhere who eventually waved me through. I'm not saying that you won't get in, but even though I had an appointment and a letter I would have not gotten a jab had the doctor not been around (he didn't appear to be anything to do with the actual processing etc.

I have many letters saying that I'm on adulimumab, and that's enough in itself - it's quite a heavy immunosuppressant. My main qualifying condition is more common than yours (rheumatoid arthritis) so it wouldn't require much explanation. My GP is just really disorganised.

 

[kalidarkone]

I thought 4th injection was for over 50s only? I had mine ages ago.

I'm over 50 and front line NHS and not been offered a 4th.

 

[kalidarkone]

After only working on the elective Post op recovery floor for 2 years because of my apparently being at higher risk FBO (Fat Black Old) I'm back to also working on the emergency floor where a high percentage of people are not vaxxed and are apparently exempt from face masks.

I feel OK about it and accept it. Most of the people I know that have had covid, some really badly and ended up with LC have had all their jabs.

I'm just working on looking after myself as much as possible.

 

[elbows]

I'm over 50 and front line NHS and not been offered a 4th.

Yeah for many people the 4th would have been the spring booster and the eligibility for that was along these lines:

People aged 75 years and older, residents in care homes for older people, and those with weakened immune systems will be offered a spring booster of coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine.

And right now the interim advice regarding this autumns vaccination programme is similar, but for over-65s and with the caveat that it could change if data ends up suggesting a wider campaign is necessary.

(quote is from A guide to the spring booster for those aged 75 years and older and older residents in care homes )

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Millions didn't have it, doesn't make them extremists who's children you need to feel sorry for. Aside from the issue it doesn't prevent infection, effacy plummets after around 6 weeks so it's pretty moot subject these days.

Bullshit. My antibody levels are high months after the last vaccine, and while some won't respond well to the vaccine most people likely will.

 

[Thesaint]

This thread worries me because do we need more people pointing fingers at each other? The last few years have seen divisions in society - ie that Eu referendum and that US president being the obvious ones but do we want to keep attacking people like this?

I can partly understand it a year ago (although still disapprove of it) when Delta was at its height and the vaccines we were told would be the way out of covid spreading, but we now know better.

If any anger should be directed any anyone why not those who made those claims too early and got people hopes up too high?

 

[dessiato]

One of my sisters and her husband are unvaccinated. They believe that they have been given a perfectly good immunity system and that God will protect them. Apart from this I love them both very much.

A friend who "doesn't believe in covid, it's a government con," has had the vaccination, because, despite not accepting covid is real, she does believe in the efficacy of vaccination. She doesn't see the contradiction.

 

[Sasaferrato]

One of my sisters and her husband are unvaccinated. They believe that they have been given a perfectly good immunity system and that God will protect them. Apart from this I love them both very much.

A friend who "doesn't believe in covid, it's a government con," has had the vaccination, because, despite not accepting covid is real, she does believe in the efficacy of vaccination. She doesn't see the contradiction.

 

[pbsmooth]

This thread worries me because do we need more people pointing fingers at each other? The last few years have seen divisions in society - ie that Eu referendum and that US president being the obvious ones but do we want to keep attacking people like this?

I can partly understand it a year ago (although still disapprove of it) when Delta was at its height and the vaccines we were told would be the way out of covid spreading, but we now know better.

If any anger should be directed any anyone why not those who made those claims too early and got people hopes up too high?

You don't think vaccines are the way out?

 

[Thesaint]

You don't think vaccines are the way out?

When they arrived they were hailed as such and those who didn't want were demonised (hence why this thread was created).
We are now all wiser or at least older if nothing else, but clearly nothing much can stop covid it seems.

 

[cupid_stunt]

When they arrived they were hailed as such and those who didn't want were demonised (hence why this thread was created).
We are now all wiser or at least older if nothing else, but clearly nothing much can stop covid it seems.

Err, the claim was that they would give protection against serious illness & death, and they have done that.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

This thread worries me because do we need more people pointing fingers at each other? The last few years have seen divisions in society - ie that Eu referendum and that US president being the obvious ones but do we want to keep attacking people like this?

There’d be a lot less division if certain groups of people stopped being such massive twats

 

[Clair De Lune]

If someone has chosen not to get jabbed I don't really feel any strong sense of negative judgment tbh. However, if they're a right wing nutjob who goes out of their way to try to shame others for having it and uses anti covid legislation shite as a gateway to all other kinds of crazy shit then yeah...fuck them like. In my home town if you scratch the surface of any anti vaxxer you seem to find a creepy lil nazi underneath *shudder

 

[Thesaint]

Err, the claim was that they would give protection against serious illness & death, and they have done that.

That's the case now but there was a slogan they were there to "protect others" implying they can perform more than they could although this has since been forgotten.

People were treated differently at one time when returning to the UK and isolation rules of contacts of known cases was different too depending on vaccine status, so it was in actions as well as a slogan.

My concern was with people still stuck demonising people incorrectly in this thread in 2022. We don't need more of it after the last decade really.

 

[gentlegreen]

The science is clear that it reduces the window where a carrier is infectious.

 

[Sasaferrato]

That's the case now but there was a slogan they were there to "protect others" implying they can perform more than they could although this has since been forgotten.

People were treated differently at one time when returning to the UK and isolation rules of contacts of known cases was different too depending on vaccine status, so it was in actions as well as a slogan.

My concern was with people still stuck demonising people incorrectly in this thread in 2022. We don't need more of it after the last decade really.

I think you are trolling, and badly at that. Perhaps you should just piss off.

 

[pbsmooth]

When they arrived they were hailed as such and those who didn't want were demonised (hence why this thread was created).
We are now all wiser or at least older if nothing else, but clearly nothing much can stop covid it seems.

Two years and you still haven't understood vaccines

 

[Griff]

I think you are trolling, and badly at that. Perhaps you should just piss off.

Can't see anything wrong with what they're saying.

Hardly nut-job conspiraloon stuff.

 

[IC3D]

I find the attitude here way out of step with reality. Do posters still think that these jabs prevent the spread of covid, I know maybe 2 people max who haven't had it at this point. Omnicron didn't present as a respiratory illness in anyone I know jabbed and unjabbed alike.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I find the attitude here way out of step with reality. Do posters still think that these jabs prevent the spread of covid, I know maybe 2 people max who haven't had it at this point. Omnicron didn't present as a respiratory illness in anyone I know jabbed and unjabbed alike.

I doubt if you can quote a single poster who has claimed that vaccination prevents spread. What you will see is a host of posters observing, correctly, that those who have been vaccinated tend to have a less severe illness if they catch Covid. I know of a number of people, triple vaccinated, who have caught Covid, and been a bit off colour for a few days. Compare that with the hospitalisation and death pre vaccine.

 

[l'Otters]

It does reduce transmission. Doesn’t eliminate it, but it’s reduced by about half I think? Haven’t checked on those figures since 2021, may be different for the current variants.

 

[l'Otters]

The covid19 vaccines aren’t the only ones anyone has an opinion on.

It’s a far simpler issue when applied to diseases we have managed to suppress almost entirely. When those start making a comeback due to anti vax parents then we see the value of everyone who can having the vaccine, towards achieving actual “herd immunity”.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I find the attitude here way out of step with reality. Do posters still think that these jabs prevent the spread of covid, I know maybe 2 people max who haven't had it at this point. Omnicron didn't present as a respiratory illness in anyone I know jabbed and unjabbed alike.

We are still waiting for you to back-up this claim -

Millions didn't have it, doesn't make them extremists who's children you need to feel sorry for. Aside from the issue it doesn't prevent infection, effacy plummets after around 6 weeks so it's pretty moot subject these days.

Still, at least with you & Griff agreeing with this newbie, the rest of us can be assured that they are posting bollocks.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

2hats has posted links to the latest science regarding transmission on this thread btw.