Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[Spymaster]

Maybe he just meant 3 numbers

He'd still have enough left over for a year's supply of tofu sarnies and a field of wheatgrass

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Do people remember when they first found out meat was made from animals?

My 5-year-old has started asking awkward questions about people eating chicken and ducks, fine by me if he wants to go vegetarian but I think he'll have to ask the right questions before I volunteer the fact that the meatballs etc. that he loves are made from ground-up dead cows and pigs.

Likewise with milk, the question of what happens to the baby cows that the milk is supposed to make big and strong will be a tough one to answer, even before you get to things like zero-grazing dairy.

We've made sure our eldest knew from the moment she could grasp the basic idea. Best they understand from an early age and thus become less susceptible to the vegetarian virus in later life

 

[AnnaKarpik]

But people are swayed by argument and debate otherwise how do you acccount for the rise in veganism?

Folks don't just wake up one morning thinking, you know I don't think I'll bother anymore with animal products.

I was a heavy meat eater for 40 odd years and became a veggie a couple of years ago mostly because of the ethics of meat eating. I used to really enjoy meat and it took years of listening to debates on the ethics of meat before I could reconcile my own ethics on it. I'd like to think I am heading towards veganism, but I'm not there yet.

I woke up one morning and read about the potential benefits of a diet very high in vegetable matter in controlling inflammation. I don't regard this as a permanent all-or-nothing decision. A pesco-vegetarian friend wanted to opt out of supporting factory farming and chooses not to spend his money on meat.
I was persuaded by arguments but not vegan ones. I would be surprised if the debate seen on this thread convinced anybody.

 

[Spymaster]

Have any carnists here ever had a relationship with a vegan? How would that work?

I went out with a vegetarian for a while but she was totally non-psycho. The only time you'd know she was a veggie was when we ate and even then it was hardly mentioned, the rest of the time she was completely normal.

 

[nogojones]

I was persuaded by arguments but not vegan ones. I would be surprised if the debate seen on this thread convinced anybody.

To be honest I just read the last page. I really couldn't be arsed doing the whole 49 pages

 

[UnderOpenSky]

McDonald's is a much bigger business, more animals die in the process of making meat for them than for all the independent butchers of California combined. Why not target them?

You remember McLibal yeah?

I don't agree with it, but you are more likely to have success with a small operation then targeting a multi national.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Have any carnists here ever had a relationship with a vegan? How would that work?

I went out with a vegetarian for a while but she was totally non-psycho. The only time you'd know she was a veggie was when we ate and even then it was hardly mentioned, the rest of the time she was completely normal.

My other half is an ex vegan and is still quite selective about what she eats and how often she wants to eat meat. Which is total understable, but I found quite frustrating and still do occasionally. On the plus side I eat loads more stuff like kale and lentils, which does me no harm. My influence on her diet has probably been less positive health wise.

 

[Spymaster]

My other half is an ex vegan and is still quite selective about what she eats and how often she wants to eat meat. Which is total understable, but I found quite frustrating and still do occasionally. On the plus side I eat loads more stuff like kale and lentils, which does me no harm. My influence on her diet has probably been less positive health wise.

Was she vegan when you met?

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Was she vegan when you met?

Sadly I can't take credit for that one. Although she now eats sausages (yes, yes, I know) and far more meat in general. Still won't buy it when I'm not there mind, although the meals I've cooked in the freezer are fair game.

 

[mrs quoad]

Sadly I can't take credit for that one. Although she now eats sausages (yes, yes, I know) and far more meat in general. Still won't buy it when I'm not there mind, although the meals I've cooked in the freezer are fair game.

My wife got into a heated discussion at a cafe recently, bc they'd only sell her a plain cheese toasted sandwich for our toddler at the same price as their "posh bacon" sandwich (still only about £3.20). There were no cheese sandwiches on their menu.

I didn't realise what was happening with this discussion, as it was complete news to me that she doesn't order him meat. She eats both sausages and fish, and burgers, tbf. And steaks. I mean, not every day. But. She does still call herself a vegetarian.

And I could've just ordered a posh bacon sandwich. Had I know what the discussion was about.

So he had £2.60 crumpets w/ jam for lunch.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Have any carnists here ever had a relationship with a vegan? How would that work?

I went out with a vegetarian for a while but she was totally non-psycho. The only time you'd know she was a veggie was when we ate and even then it was hardly mentioned, the rest of the time she was completely normal.

I lived with a veggie for many years. I cooked a range of meals, as did she. She was funny about having meat in our kitchen, so I just ate meat when we went out or she was away. That was more or less the deal, and I was fine with it, although I may have been less fine if she'd been vegan (I reckon I'd be sneaking myself some cheese). Biggest problem came when abroad.

I think most people are similar to this, tbh. The idea of a raging entitled carnist slapping down raw steaks in front of veggies is just Jeremy Clarkson's wet dream of the world. I like my food, but I'm not arsey about insisting on things I know someone else will be upset by. Just a bit of a shame for me, that's all. I get over it, and work around it.

 

[gentlegreen]

I think I may be doomed to be vegan for ever

I just experimentally added a virtual can of sardines to my evening meal and gave my kidneys a hard time (disposal of excess protein involves the production of ammonia).

So I really ought to learn to swim like a dolphin, but not eat like one.



Just seen I can get multi-parameter urine testing strips for 1 p a shot.

Amazon.co.uk: Parameter Urine Test Strips

 

[cupid_stunt]

stir-fried - or in my case more like dry-fried.
I can't get enough of it.

If I won the lottery, this is what I would have for my tea :-

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Just add a nice juicy steak, and you have a perfect meal.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Have any carnists here ever had a relationship with a vegan? How would that work?

I went out with a vegetarian for a while but she was totally non-psycho. The only time you'd know she was a veggie was when we ate and even then it was hardly mentioned, the rest of the time she was completely normal.

An ex was vegan for 2 out of 9 years we were together, before becoming veggie, and your second paragraph sums her up too.

When she did the evening meal I would eat whatever she prepared, when I was doing the meal I would normally have meat & do her something different.

In a normal week we would eat out one night, and do the evening meals 3 times a week each. I could cope with three main meals a week without meat, as long as I had meat at lunchtime.

 

[gentlegreen]

I think most people are similar to this, tbh. The idea of a raging entitled carnist slapping down raw steaks in front of veggies is just Jeremy Clarkson's wet dream of the world. I like my food, but I'm not arsey about insisting on things I know someone else will be upset by. Just a bit of a shame for me, that's all. I get over it, and work around it.

During my spell as a pescetarian, my omnivorous GF at the time couldn't cope with me having fish on the table with the eyes looking at her

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I was persuaded by arguments but not vegan ones. I would be surprised if the debate seen on this thread convinced anybody.

I was, in part, persuaded to go vegan because of the lack of logic and rationality from non-vegans on threads like these. I mean, I was vegetarian already and thought that I probably should go vegan but the utter absence of any even remotely plausible arguments in defence of animal exploitation were, to use a non-vegan metaphor, the straw that broke the camel's back.

I've also been PMed by somebody who told me that they went veggie as a result of reading one of these threads.

 

[Spymaster]

An ex was vegan for 2 out of 9 years we were together, before becoming veggie, and your second paragraph sums her up too.

When she did the evening meal I would eat whatever she prepared, when I was doing the meal I would normally have meat & do her something different.

In a normal week we would eat out one night, and do the evening meals 3 times a week each. I could cope with three main meals a week without meat, as long as I had meat at lunchtime.

Didn't she freak out about having meat in the same house/fridge/cooking utensils etc? What about leather? The vegetarian I was with was Spanish and she was even ok with cooking meat and fish (not too keen on me shooting though and I stopped for the 3 years we were together), but I've always thought a vegan would be a deal breaker for me.

 

[Spymaster]

I lived with a veggie for many years. I cooked a range of meals, as did she. She was funny about having meat in our kitchen, so I just ate meat when we went out or she was away. That was more or less the deal, and I was fine with it, although I may have been less fine if she'd been vegan (I reckon I'd be sneaking myself some cheese). Biggest problem came when abroad.

I think most people are similar to this, tbh. The idea of a raging entitled carnist slapping down raw steaks in front of veggies is just Jeremy Clarkson's wet dream of the world. I like my food, but I'm not arsey about insisting on things I know someone else will be upset by. Just a bit of a shame for me, that's all. I get over it, and work around it.

Sure, but I'm looking at it the other way round. Most vegetarians I've known have been pretty reasonable but would a vegan even entertain having a carnist partner?

 

[A380]

Do people remember when they first found out meat was made from animals?

My 5-year-old has started asking awkward questions about people eating chicken and ducks, fine by me if he wants to go vegetarian but I think he'll have to ask the right questions before I volunteer the fact that the meatballs etc. that he loves are made from ground-up dead cows and pigs.

Likewise with milk, the question of what happens to the baby cows that the milk is supposed to make big and strong will be a tough one to answer, even before you get to things like zero-grazing dairy.

It won't be awkward at all . All five year olds are all raving ego-maniacs. If he loves meatballs he wouldn't care if they were made out of babies, as long as they were babies he didn't know.

 

[mrs quoad]

It won't be awkward at all . All five year olds are all raving ego-maniacs. If he loves meatballs he wouldn't care if they were made out of babies, as long as they were babies he didn't know.

Tbf, fair few 5yos would be even happier if they were babies they knew.

 

[Spymaster]

It won't be awkward at all . All five year olds are all raving ego-maniacs. If he loves meatballs he wouldn't care if they were made out of babies, as long as they were babies he didn't know.

I don't think there's anything awkward about telling children where meat comes from is there? If there's a hang-up it likely comes from the parents. Just be honest. A friend's kid frequently helps me in the kitchen. She's 7 and has no problem whatsoever with skinning chicken thighs and boning them by hand for a curry. Last time her only concern was "is it halal?"

 

[Ponyutd]

I think I may be doomed to be vegan for ever

I just experimentally added a virtual can of sardines to my evening meal and gave my kidneys a hard time (disposal of excess protein involves the production of ammonia).

So I really ought to learn to swim like a dolphin, but not eat like one.

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Just seen I can get multi-parameter urine testing strips for 1 p a shot.

Amazon.co.uk: Parameter Urine Test Strips

Urine testing strips for 1 p a shot. #irony

 

[mrs quoad]

I think I may be doomed to be vegan for ever

I just experimentally added a virtual can of sardines to my evening meal and gave my kidneys a hard time (disposal of excess protein involves the production of ammonia).

So I really ought to learn to swim like a dolphin, but not eat like one.

View attachment 112877

Just seen I can get multi-parameter urine testing strips for 1 p a shot.

Amazon.co.uk: Parameter Urine Test Strips

Have you ever worked out how many of the minutes of life you intend to save will have been spent on spreadsheets designed to calculate how many minutes you might save by the time those minutes have been saved? And assuming they are saved, obvs.

(I am reminded of the thing that someone did working out that an hour in the gym equates to sth like 50mins of added lifespan.)

 

[gentlegreen]

Have you ever worked out how many of the minutes of life you intend to save will have been spent on spreadsheets designed to calculate how many minutes you might save by the time those minutes have been saved? And assuming they are saved, obvs.

(I am reminded of the thing that someone did working out that an hour in the gym equates to sth like 50mins of added lifespan.)

Yebbut ...
Once I have my personal telemetry nailed down, the spreadsheets will look after themselves - weighbridges in the floor, urine testing built into the toilet.
Maybe that's why I keep things like my diet and other lifestyle habits simple and regular

 

[T & P]

If longevity and a healthy life are your overriding concerns, why don't you simply adopt the diet of the countries with the longest life expectancy in the world? Japan, or a number of European Mediterranean nations, for instance. No messing around with charts and spreadsheets, and as a massive bonus they all allow for yummy meat and fish to be part of one's diet.

 

[gentlegreen]

If longevity and a healthy life are your overriding concerns, why don't you simply adopt the diet of the countries with the longest life expectancy in the world? Japan, or a number of European Mediterranean nations, for instance. No messing around with charts and spreadsheets, and as a massive bonus they all allow for yummy meat and fish to be part of one's diet.

The Okinawans eat so little meat and fish, probably all they get from it is B12.
The Mediterranean diet is a tad iffy.
The longest lived are apparently 7th Day Adventists.

After 35 years, eating meat is not going to happen - it just isn't "food" to me.

But as I appear to be finding , the optimum diet has no place for regular fish consumption as it would displace green veggies. I would literally have to eat less broccoli to get my protein down - and globular animal protein is by all accounts the type one should dump first.

Okinawa is definitely what I'm aiming for - with a BMI of 22 and 2800 kcalories per day.

I certainly found fish to be yummy during my pescetarian interlude, but a large part of it is finding an excuse to go fishing on a regular basis - an excuse to mess about in boats

I fully expect my retirement lifestyle to change things a lot - I'll be growing masses of green veggies and having green smoothies and macrobiotic breakfasts ...

 

[Casually Red]

Sure, but I'm looking at it the other way round. Most vegetarians I've known have been pretty reasonable but would a vegan even entertain having a carnist partner?

My mates partner was vegan when they met . Since she'd been a teenager . Then they moved in together . Hes a good cook but it was getting difficult cooking anything without it being repetitive . Then one night when there was some really nice smoked meat , and she was half pisssed and starving, she just caved and turned into a ravenous carnist . a year on and she's racking up a body count like Hannibal lecter.

Total malzoan


They were at a wedding in eastern Europe the other week and he saw her whoosh right over to the smoked meat buffet, raw vodka in one hand, grab a big slice of bread and then shove it into this big lard spread concoction, that was full of pork bits . And just wolf it down . And then she went to town on the cuts .

I think it's too easy being vegan around industrially processed meat . I don't believe for an instant when they're drunk hungry and smell proper, good meat they don't consider it as food . They'll deny it but we know they're lying .

 

[Casually Red]

Sure, but I'm looking at it the other way round. Most vegetarians I've known have been pretty reasonable but would a vegan even entertain having a carnist partner?

Here's another thing . What if you were vegan but were seriously into BDSM ? Must be an absolute nightmare .
Where would you even start ?

 

[gentlegreen]

I think it's too easy being vegan around industrially processed meat . I don't believe for an instant when they're drunk hungry and smell proper, good meat they don't consider it as food . They'll deny it but we know they're lying .

1. drunk - I'll pass on that - not my bag. People say the same idiot thing about men being open to gay sex when drunk - bonkers.

2. hungry - sadly hasn't happened in years - working on that, but my hunger is always for green veggies these days and in the past it was vegan savouries that I still far prefer to any 36 year old recollection of the real thing. And I remember the foie gras, tripe and steaks I had in France in 1975 - I have no desire to taste them again - the stunning white wine and champagne, however - I do anticipate availing myself of that in France.
Bacon I find bizarre - makes me think of cannibalism.

The only things I missed during the 22 years while I was vegan were fish and cheese and I indulged sporadically in those - even fried a dozen free range eggs towards the end of the 12 pescatarian years.
Those years left me obese and may have aggravated my diverticulosis due to being able to on implulse grab ready made cakes and biscuits and pies rather than the solidly wholegrain lifestyle I'd led before ...

What I learned was that it's difficult to un-eat wrong food.
If anything warrants reverential treatment it's my body - I need it to work for the next (hopefully) 43 years - (my dad is about to make it to 90 - albeit with health problems related to his lifestyle - so I'm aiming for the ton) so I am strongly attracted to things I know are beneficial to it.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Here's another thing . What if you were vegan but were seriously into BDSM ? Must be an absolute nightmare .
Where would you even start ?

As BDSM is concentual where as eating meat less so, I'm not sure why that would be an issue.