Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[nogojones]

I liked the above cartoon, elements of truth in it. Though no doubt there's the other picture with a vegan lambasting others about their eating habits and preching their morals. Great thing about these type of debates, makes for an interesting read as neither side will really sway the other, for the majority, imho

But people are swayed by argument and debate otherwise how do you acccount for the rise in veganism?

Folks don't just wake up one morning thinking, you know I don't think I'll bother anymore with animal products.

I was a heavy meat eater for 40 odd years and became a veggie a couple of years ago mostly because of the ethics of meat eating. I used to really enjoy meat and it took years of listening to debates on the ethics of meat before I could reconcile my own ethics on it. I'd like to think I am heading towards veganism, but I'm not there yet.

 

[NoXion]

Conversely, I can understand why someone might have an "ew" reaction to meats. You're dealing with actual flesh after all. But when it's cooked or prepared? It tastes and smells good enough for me that I can overlook that.

 

[Spymaster]

That's all predicted on one big, faulty assumption i.e. that people accept that eating meat is a bad thing. I don't; so no need for cognitive dissonance.

They just don't seem to get this. Vegans seem completely convinced that carnists all secretly hate themselves for carning.

 

[Athos]

They just don't seem to get this. Vegans seem completely convinced that carnists all secretly hate themselves for carning.

Many vegans are surprisingly incapable of empathy.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Conversely, I can understand why someone might have an "ew" reaction to meats. You're dealing with actual flesh after all. But when it's cooked or prepared? It tastes and smells good enough for me that I can overlook that.

I understand that people have disgust reactions to all kinds of things. If I don't share that particular reaction, I can at least empathise with the kind of thing it is by relating it to something I do have a disgust reaction to.

The reverse is also possible, though, that I recognise that not everyone shares my disgust reactions to certain things, and am able to empathise with their lack of disgust, even if I don't share it.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

The reverse is also possible, though, that I recognise that not everyone shares my disgust reactions to certain things, and am able to empathise with their lack of disgust, even if I don't share it.

The success of Coldplay is proof enough of this.

 

[DotCommunist]

Fillet of fish is lush

massive lie


QP is good though, qp wid cheese

 

[Casually Red]

Although to be fair, this happened in California, and it is a scientific fact that middle and upper class Californians are completely insane.

Also there's very restrictive gun laws in Hippistan so the butcher probably didn't have a 45 under the counter . If they'd tried that in Texas the butcher would have hung them and their sign in the window as trophies .

 

[Maggot]

Did Metro get the idea for this article from Urban?

Aggressive vegans are putting meat-eaters off going veggie, says survey | Metro News

 

[Casually Red]

That bloody article . Riven throughout by the assumption normal people would like to stop eating meat . It's just more bloody vegan propaganda . Getting really pissed off about it's prevalence .

 

[Maggot]

That bloody article . Riven throughout by the assumption normal people would like to stop eating meat .

According to the article 2/3 of the meat eaters questioned had considered going vegan or veggie in the last year, so it's a fair assumption.

 

[gentlegreen]

That bloody article . Riven throughout by the assumption normal people would like to stop eating meat . It's just more bloody vegan propaganda . Getting really pissed off about it's prevalence .

With the easy availability of information, might not "normal people" simply be interested in living longer, healthier lives - especially now that lung cancer from tobacco smoking has taken second place to heart disease ?
And with Alzheimers being another disease that probably has similar causes ?
Diet and other lifestyle choices is implicated in most premature causes of death.

 

[NoXion]

According to the article 2/3 of the meat eaters questioned had considered going vegan or veggie in the last year, so it's a fair assumption.

I'm not one of them, certainly. The only limiting factor in my meat consumption is cost. Which is doubtless an angle that vegans are considering in their war against the bloodmouths.

 

[Casually Red]

their war against the bloodmouths.

 

[mrs quoad]

I still reckon that health is the best angle to

With the easy availability of information, might not "normal people" simply be interested in living longer, healthier lives - especially now that lung cancer from tobacco smoking has taken second place to heart disease ?
And with Alzheimers being another disease that probably has similar causes ?
Diet and other lifestyle choices is implicated in most premature causes of death.

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What do you want people to die from?

Extreme sports, or choking on nutroasts?

 

[gentlegreen]

What do you want people to die from?

Extreme sports, or choking on nutroasts?

Extreme sports in my 90s

 

[Casually Red]

According to the article 2/3 of the meat eaters questioned had considered going vegan or veggie in the last year, so it's a fair assumption.

Meat eaters are the overwhelming majority , into the high 90s percentile . I find it extremely difficult to believe that 2 thirds of people are actively considering going vegan . I'd assume there were some pretty loaded questions in that survey .
I eat meat because I really like it . Sometimes I'll even buy a couple of steaks when I can't really afford them .
People really and truly like meat , there's no getting away from it .

 

[NoXion]

I'm three sheets to the wind and I'm fucking desperate for a steak right now.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I'm not one of them, certainly. The only limiting factor in my meat consumption is cost. Which is doubtless an angle that vegans are considering in their war against the bloodmouths.

The limiting factor in my meat consumption is time. Only three meals a day to cram it all in

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Extreme sports in my 90s

If your heart gives out mid-bungee, you'll enter the stats as dead from heart failure, whatever age you were.

Some research done on long-term evolutionary changes in outlying deitary populations. Finding that Inuit have evolved to suppress uptake of fatty acids to avoid oding on the primarily fish diet, while long-term veggie populations in India have evolved to metabolise fatty acids in plants more effectively, which in turn leaves them at some risk of disease with modern diets.

I would suggest that these findings strongly support the contention that humans have evolved as flexible omnivores that have historically taken some important parts of our diets from meat but with meat as only a small proportion of overall intake. Those outlying populations that have developed diets that diverge from this have seen evolutionary changes to compensate for the difference.

(That's not an argument against becoming vegan, just a footnote to the earlier discussion in which it was contended that humans are somehow not natural meat-eaters.)

 

[Spymaster]

I eat meat because I really like it.

No you really, really don't. You've just been conditioned to think you like it.

 

[Casually Red]

No you really, really don't. You've just been conditioned to think you like it.

Secretly pining for freshly steamed broccoli.

Yum yum .

 

[Casually Red]

I...honestly..just made up a new word for angry vegans on a holy mission .

Lentilist .

Y' see..it rhymes with mentalist but it's also about lentils .

 

[Yossarian]

Do people remember when they first found out meat was made from animals?

My 5-year-old has started asking awkward questions about people eating chicken and ducks, fine by me if he wants to go vegetarian but I think he'll have to ask the right questions before I volunteer the fact that the meatballs etc. that he loves are made from ground-up dead cows and pigs.

Likewise with milk, the question of what happens to the baby cows that the milk is supposed to make big and strong will be a tough one to answer, even before you get to things like zero-grazing dairy.

 

[Yossarian]

I...honestly..just made up a new word for angry vegans on a holy mission .

Lentilist .

Y' see..it rhymes with mentalist but it's also about lentils .

Sounds like a Clarksonism.

 

[gentlegreen]

Secretly pining for freshly steamed broccoli.

Yum yum .

stir-fried - or in my case more like dry-fried.
I can't get enough of it.

If I won the lottery, this is what I would have for my tea :-

 

[Spymaster]

If I won the lottery, this is what I would have for my tea :-

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Why would a lottery win be necessary?

That looks like a couple of quids worth of typical veghead fodder.

 

[Casually Red]

Why would a lottery win be necessary?

That looks like a couple of quids worth of typical veghead fodder.

Maybe he just meant 3 numbers

 

[gentlegreen]

I'm conscious that plenty would struggle to afford it. Certainly with a family.
Given the overload of certain nutrients, I suppose one might replace some of the veggies with wholegrain / beans.

Broccoli - £1
mushrooms £1
Pepper 60p
Beansprouts 60p in the shops

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Do people remember when they first found out meat was made from animals?

My 5-year-old has started asking awkward questions about people eating chicken and ducks, fine by me if he wants to go vegetarian but I think he'll have to ask the right questions before I volunteer the fact that the meatballs etc. that he loves are made from ground-up dead cows and pigs.

Likewise with milk, the question of what happens to the baby cows that the milk is supposed to make big and strong will be a tough one to answer, even before you get to things like zero-grazing dairy.

If you get him into veal, you can deal with both questions at once.

It never occurred to me that dairy cows had calves.