Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[Spymaster]

McDonald's do one of the worst veggie burgers I've ever had, though probably not as bad as the Mothburger that other story links to.

Disgusted woman finds massive dead moth in her McDonald's chicken wrap lunch

They deliver round here now via UberEats.

Surprised they didn't start doing it years ago.

 

[gentlegreen]

People's focus is all wrong - all this worried chasing after "protein" - only an issue if you get too many calories from empty processed carb/fat/sugar rather than from veggies.
Broccoli has higher protein per calorie than steak.
My 250 calories of broccoli per night is probably too many

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Being vegan stops you from having nice shoes too.

Hmm...not sure that's strictly true, these winkle pickers look rather fetching....


Hans Blix
( they are also rubbish at finding non existent WMD's. )

 

[PaoloSanchez]

The following video is imo an excellent summary of the cognitive dissonance that allows humans to do or condone bad things while viewing themselves as good people. This not only applies to how meat eaters justify killing animals unnecessarily, but also to other areas of human activity where we kid ourselves that we're not doing really shitty stuff...



Mic the Vegan is one of my favourite vegan youtubers. His videos are informative, well referenced, not too long and I like his content, presentation and humour.

 

[Yossarian]

They deliver round here now via UberEats.

Surprised they didn't start doing it years ago.

Yep, my neighbourhood also has many options for delivery of food. And McDonald's.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Now, these really are the sort of cunts who not only put me off being vegan but make me want to kick their fucking heads in.

Vegan activists force California butcher to hang animal rights sign in window

 

[Yossarian]

I'm not surprised PETA types get a little wound up by the kind of hipster butchers who act like the animals they're serving up made informed end-of-life decisions at the end of long and fulfilling bovine careers.

 

[Spymaster]

Yep, my neighbourhood also has many options for delivery of food. And McDonald's.

Ah, you're one of those are you?

 

[gentlegreen]

I noticed the linked article about meat-eating vegan restaurateurs who have bought into Allan Savory's "theory" that claims lifestock grazing can reverse climate change.

Famous California vegan restaurateurs under fire over revelation they eat meat

 

[Spymaster]

Now, these really are the sort of cunts who not only put me off being vegan but make me want to kick their fucking heads in.

Vegan activists force California butcher to hang animal rights sign in window

Cunts like that make me really look forward to September and October when the partridge and pheasant seasons open.

 

[Yossarian]

Ah, you're one of those are you?

One of those people who thinks McDonald's tastes like shit? Guilty as charged. And that's not even prejudice talking, I tried a Filet-o-Fish just a few days ago, it was grim.

 

[tonysingh]

One of those people who thinks McDonald's tastes like shit? Guilty as charged. And that's not even prejudice talking, I tried a Filet-o-Fish just a few days ago, it was grim.

Does anyone go to Maccy Ds expecting fine dining?

Of course it's fucking grim. It's a fast food joint.

 

[Spymaster]

One of those people who thinks McDonald's tastes like shit?

No. One of those sillies who pretends that it isn't "food".

 

[Spymaster]

Does anyone go to Maccy Ds expecting fine dining?

Of course it's fucking grim. It's a fast food joint.

I think it's great in small doses. Fillet of fish is lush, as is the breakfast stuff, and the coffee there is very good nowadays.

 

[Yossarian]

It's technically food, just the flavor, texture etc. seems really weird compared to just about any other kind of food, including food from other fast-food chains, it's as if it was something designed to be reconstituted and fed to astronauts in a country with a really shitty space program.

 

[Spymaster]

I noticed the linked article about meat-eating vegan restaurateurs who have bought into Allan Savory's "theory" that claims lifestock grazing can reverse climate change.

Famous California vegan restaurateurs under fire over revelation they eat meat

“Cows make an extreme sacrifice for humanity but that is their position in God’s plan as food for the predators,” Matthew Englehardt said

Apart perhaps from the god bit, he's spot on.

And what is it with AR twats and death threats?

 

[mojo pixy]

Now, these really are the sort of cunts who not only put me off being vegan but make me want to kick their fucking heads in.

Vegan activists force California butcher to hang animal rights sign in window

That shit reminds me of the kind of forced conversion so beloved of Norwegian kings and IS psychos.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm not surprised PETA types get a little wound up by the kind of hipster butchers who act like the animals they're serving up made informed end-of-life decisions at the end of long and fulfilling bovine careers.

The only thing in that article in quotes, and so directly representing the butcher's ethos, is "locally sourced, sustainably raised". That's a little bit short of Peter Davidson in a pig suit offering up his juicy belly to diners.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

That shit reminds me of the kind of forced conversion so beloved of Norwegian kings and IS psychos.

It is a fundamentalism that sees no differentiation between the unbelievers. Those who seek to improve our meat culture are just as guilty as those involved in the worst industrialised farming. (And in this case, they're a nice, easy target without the deep pockets and lawyers of a McDonalds.)

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Quite. Of all the arguably legitimate targets they could have chosen, they picked the independent small business selling locally sourced produce.

Slow handclap you fucking pricks, well done.

 

[NoXion]

McDonald's is a much bigger business, more animals die in the process of making meat for them than for all the independent butchers of California combined. Why not target them?

 

[NoXion]

If you genuinely believe that meat is murder, then targeting some little butcher while ignoring McDonald's is like protesting outside of some murderer's house while at the same time ignoring some company involved in an ongoing mass murder.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

McDonald's is a much bigger business, more animals die in the process of making meat for them than for all the independent butchers of California combined. Why not target them?

Either:

A) Their stupid fad diet has left them hungry and unable to think straight

Or

B) They've realised a large multinational corporation has access to lawyers who cost more per hour than most of us earn in a month

 

[Spymaster]

If you genuinely believe that meat is murder you're a moron.

 

[Athos]

The following video is imo an excellent summary of the cognitive dissonance that allows humans to do or condone bad things while viewing themselves as good people. This not only applies to how meat eaters justify killing animals unnecessarily, but also to other areas of human activity where we kid ourselves that we're not doing really shitty stuff...



Mic the Vegan is one of my favourite vegan youtubers. His videos are informative, well referenced, not too long and I like his content, presentation and humour.

That's all predicted on one big, faulty assumption i.e. that people accept that eating meat is a bad thing. I don't; so no need for cognitive dissonance.

 

[NoXion]

Although to be fair, this happened in California, and it is a scientific fact that middle and upper class Californians are completely insane.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

The following video is imo an excellent summary of the cognitive dissonance that allows humans to do or condone bad things while viewing themselves as good people. This not only applies to how meat eaters justify killing animals unnecessarily, but also to other areas of human activity where we kid ourselves that we're not doing really shitty stuff...



Mic the Vegan is one of my favourite vegan youtubers. His videos are informative, well referenced, not too long and I like his content, presentation and humour.

Meant to comment on that video but was busy...

It's bollocks. Why do some vegans persist in this belief that certain meat eaters are somehow lying to themselves, that we're desperate to hide from what we're doing?

Eating meat isn't wrong. Killing animals for food isn't wrong.

I'll glady enter a debate about how we go about the above. Farming practices, food miles, sustainability etc etc But start telling me I'm somehow blind to what goes on, that I have to pretend I'm something I'm not and I'll just tell you to fuck off.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

If you genuinely believe that meat is murder you're a moron.

If you genuinely believe that meat is murder, then I can see how you will think that a small butcher sourcing free-range locally is just as bad as a supermarket sourcing factory-farmed meat from the other side of the world. It is the act of killing the animal that is the primary crime.

These activists remind me most of anti-abortion campaigners. They're less damaging as what they are doing is far less viscerally hurtful to those they target, but the thought process is similar: these people are murderers, and so it is our duty to do all we can to stop them at all times, and the tactics employed are strikingly similar: dress up in blood, wail for the innocent lives being taken, accept no compromise ever. Vegan activists also add their own 'wake up sheeple' twist.

 

[NoXion]

I've worked in a slaughterhouse. Admittedly it was only for a week's worth of work experience, but nonetheless I do have an appreciation for how messy and hard the work involved in the mass production of meat is. I certainly think that slaughterhouse workers should be paid more than they are.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I've worked in a slaughterhouse. Admittedly it was only for a week's worth of work experience, but nonetheless I do have an appreciation for how messy and hard the work involved in the mass production of meat is. I certainly think that slaughterhouse workers should be paid more than they are.

If you eat meat, it has to mean that you don't think about where it's come from, that you pretend it arrived in the world fully trimmed and vacuum-sealed. Because if you did think about where it comes from, you couldn't possibly consider eating it.

There's a lot of projecting going on. Because they have a strong disgust reaction to the idea of eating the flesh of once-living animals, they assume that everyone else must do so too, and so can only be eating it by being in some kind of denial.

It's patent bollocks, but it's hard to shake, it seems, because some people find it impossible to imagine being that other person who isn't disgusted by the idea of eating animals.