Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[coley]

Yeah maybe, but it's just a bit of fun. I'm not sure what you've seen in this thread prior to your brief concentrated burst of posting however in the context of this thread and the interventions on other threads wherever this topic is raised, I think my choice of words is quite mild and harmless, especially given that vegans are more often than not on the receiving end of ridicule and mockery.

I'm not expecting every to like my choice of words of my even my style of posting, but I'm quite happy with it and do believe it to be logical, balanced and reasonable. Some people will of course disagree with that, and I don't have a problem with that at all, you can't please everyone, and people who find my content objectionable are not being forced to read or engage.

Aye, as long as "it's just a bit of fun"
As to what I've seen prior to my "brief concentrated burst of posting" regarding the subject of vegetrianism on here? Quite a bit, most of it a damn sight more intolerant than has appeared on this particular thread.
Nice to see it kept light hearted and objective

 

[Casually Red]

The International vegan flag has launched

Will make you angry fuckers easier to spot I guess

Can we declare war on them now ? Strikes me as a bit Islamic state that carry on

 

[coley]

I do love cheese in all its wonderful forms. If I had to choose between cheese and meat, I might have to plump for the cheese, I think.

To those who recoil at the idea of eating cow 'secretions', I present a slice of aged gouda. Milk can be turned into culinary delights.

Gawd, Stilton blue and a glass of 'secretary bird' while sitting in the garden(an hour ago) heaven.

 

[8ball]

 

[OzT]

Although vegeterians doing stuff like this then complain to newspapers about it doesn't help their cause, imho.

McDonald's customer gets a very disappointing burger after ordering veggie meal
(I put link to Mirror here but it's in other papers as well)

He's in Sydney, goes into McDonalds to order a veggie burger then complains it is not to his liking when Mcdonalds in Australia does not offer veggie options. After all, hate to say it, it is a burger joint. I know sydney well and there are enough veggie shops and resturants already, why go to a burger bar when he knows there are no veggie option just to complain and go to the newspapers?

And the reason McDonalds don't offer veggie option in Australia is there is not enough demand for it. I'm sure if they thought there is a market in Oz they would offer it.

 

[Spymaster]

Although vegeterians doing stuff like this then complain to newspapers about it doesn't help their cause, imho.

McDonald's customer gets a very disappointing burger after ordering veggie meal
(I put link to Mirror here but it's in other papers as well)

He's in Sydney, goes into McDonalds to order a veggie burger then complains it is not to his liking when Mcdonalds in Australia does not offer veggie options. After all, hate to say it, it is a burger joint. I know sydney well and there are enough veggie shops and resturants already, why go to a burger bar when he knows there are no veggie option just to complain and go to the newspapers?

And the reason McDonalds don't offer veggie option in Australia is there is not enough demand for it. I'm sure if they thought there is a market in Oz they would offer it.

This has got to be a wind-up

" It's not like I couldn't have got a veggie burger anywhere else, but sometimes you just crave a Maccas.

 

[OzT]

Don't think so Spymaster, it's in 3 papers I know of, including the Metro, so it has got to be real

I think it's just some young bloke craving a bit of publicity by picking on something where he knows he will not get what he wanted

 

[Yossarian]

McDonald's do one of the worst veggie burgers I've ever had, though probably not as bad as the Mothburger that other story links to.

Disgusted woman finds massive dead moth in her McDonald's chicken wrap lunch

 

[littlebabyjesus]

*checks date*

Ah yes, silly season.

 

[gentlegreen]

(((moth)))

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Tesla's gone "delusional", lol

 

[PaoloSanchez]

When you say fast food people think burger
But nature can take it little further
Faster than anything you can cook
Follow Macka B take a look
Real fast food what a gwarn ya
Look how fast you peel a banana
Look how quick you can peel the mango
3-2-1 go
Real fast food check the Berry
Don't have to cook them not necessary
As long as the fruits are ripe and ready
On your marks mmm get steady
Peel the orange cut the avocado
Slice the cucumber tomatice tomato
Get the kiwi cut it inna quarter
Bust the coconut drink the water
Scrape the jelly out eat it after
A the desert ,main course and the starter
In abundance for your indulgence
Food with substance, full up of nutrients
Ram packed with wholesome ingredients
Natural packaging for your convenience
Yes iyah you know it’s the truth
Real fast food’s veggies and fruit

 

[gentlegreen]

I would dispute the ease of use of the mango - probably relies on being where they grow to get them at the optimum point.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

I would dispute the ease of use of the mango - probably relies on being where they grow to get them at the optimum point.

eh? Obviously it is better to be able to pick any fruit straight off the tree when ripe, that being the optimum point, but regardless a ripe mango is quick and easy. Maybe not the rock hard unripe ones you might see in Sainsbury's (usually Kent variety), however if you go to any asian market, you can easily get a box of these...

They are not my favourite variety and nearly all the places that I would get them nowadays also sell butchered halal meat which smells RANK, but anyway they are nearly always ripe and can be eaten quite easily out of the box. Might be a bit messy without some form of cutlery though, and you may find mango juice dripping down your arm.
#FirstWorldProblems

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Intellectual heavyweights chipping in...

 

[PaoloSanchez]

 

[03gills]

I think cultured (lab grown) meat will more of less replace large scale factory farming in the future, however I think you'll still have small scale abattoirs continuing to cater for the demand for prime cuts. So if you want a steak or a joint or a whole chicken, you'll get those things, but less often than you do now.

 

[NoXion]

I think cultured (lab grown) meat will more of less replace large scale factory farming in the future, however I think you'll still have small scale abattoirs continuing to cater for the demand for prime cuts. So if you want a steak or a joint or a whole chicken, you'll get those things, but less often than you do now.

But if it's made in a lab that's Frankenstein food and therefore bad because um... Reasons? Despite the fact that the people saying that kind of shit almost always use other lab-produced products with no problems whatsoever.

 

[veganomics]

Was going to post about that yesterday but was busy. Some folks have complained about it but I agree with ModVegan's summary...

I do like ModVegans approach and I agree with what she said in that video. I didn't know about the flag, it's not bad, I don't really know that much about design but it looks ok. Appears to work quite well as an avatar too.

 

[veganomics]

Intellectual heavyweights chipping in...

I'm not a big Dawkins fan, but on this subject I think both him and Harris are right. People are finding it harder to argue against veganism because it makes sense on so many levels, which also has the effect of creating more of a resistance from some people who don't want to change, hence the anti vegan backlash.

 

[veganomics]

Tesla's gone "delusional", lol

Hopefully this will trigger more widespread adoption. It's almost impossible to get a car with a vegan interior. Even if the seats aren't leather, the steering wheel often is. I think there's a growing momentum and with this being associated with electric cars which are also growing in popularity, a vegan interior car could well become the norm and rather than the exception.

 

[Casually Red]

I'm not a big Dawkins fan, but on this subject I think both him and Harris are right. People are finding it harder to argue against veganism

Erm..no they aren't . And unless taking the piss out of vegans 99% of people don't even bother arguing against it .

 

[veganomics]

I saw this story in the Independent...
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Vegetarian farmer saves cow herd from abattoir by donating it to animal sanctuary.

A herd of cows from the East Midlands will be mooing a sigh of relief thanks the kindness of their owner, vegetarian farmer Jay Wilde who has sent them to live out their days in an animal sanctuary.

Leaving their old cattle sheds at Bradley Nook Farm in Ashbourne, Derbyshire, the 59 cows were rehomed in Norfolk at the Hillside Animal Sanctuary on Monday.

A vegetarian for a total of 25 years, Mr Wilde told The Times that he found it “very difficult to do your best to look after them and then send them to the slaughterhouse for what must be a terrifying death.”

After growing up on the farm, the 59-year-old took over the business in 2011 when his father died. Mr Wilde also made the change from producing dairy goods to organic beef.

But he decided that he wanted to clear his conscience and profit no more from sending his cows to the slaughter house.

“I’m relieved to have made the decision to no longer farm animals, something which I always found quite upsetting,” Mr Wilde said.

“Cows have good memories and a range of emotions. They form relationships. I’ve even seen them cry.”

The herd, worth £40,000 at market, will avoid the abattoir to join the sanctuary’s 300 cattle and 2,000 horses, donkeys and ponies. Mr Wilde has kept ten as “pets.”

Mr Wilde was told by his brother-in-law that he was “absolutely insane” to donate the herd, 30 of which are pregnant.

The founder of the sanctuary, Wendy Valentine, said Mr Wilde’s cattle could now enjoy their full 25-year lifespans rather than reaching the slaughter age of two to three years.
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A noble humanitarian gesture from the farmer Jay.

It's funny that so many people claim that they only eat grass-fed meat from that type of farm, and yet only a tiny minority of the meat that gets bought and eaten comes from such farms. I think at least a few of them must be telling porkie pies.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Hopefully this will trigger more widespread adoption. It's almost impossible to get a car with a vegan interior. Even if the seats aren't leather, the steering wheel often is. I think there's a growing momentum and with this being associated with electric cars which are also growing in popularity, a vegan could well become the norm and not the exception.

Your obviously shopping for more expensive cars then me.

 

[veganomics]

Your obviously shopping for more expensive cars then me.

It's not just expensive cars that have leather steering wheels.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

It's not just expensive cars that have leather steering wheels.

Sure, but almost impossible is a massive over statement. I can think of a fair few I've owned that didn't and that's without actually trying to do so.

 

[veganomics]

Sure, but almost impossible is a massive over statement. I can think of a fair few I've owned that didn't and that's without actually trying to do so.

I believe all the cars that I've had or driven over the last 10+ years have had leather steering wheels and leather around the gear knob, without me trying. It appears to be the norm. Ok maybe almost impossible as a slight (and not massive ) overstatement, but it is a lot harder than it should be...

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Buying a car when you’re vegan – Charles Reynolds-Talbot Ⓥ – Medium

Buying a car when you’re vegan
Being vegan is easy. Buying a car when you’re vegan is hard.

Sometimes being vegan is about best endevours — it’s probably impossible to buy a car that is 100% cruelty-free due to the way they’re made. One way I can try and influence the market is by purchasing a car that does not have leather in. This is hard to do. The problem isn’t just upholstery which is easier to avoid, it’s leather steering wheels and gear knobs that come as standard in over 90% of cars on the market.

Buying a car should be enjoyable, but it was needlessly frustrating. I have spent days searching websites and brochures for the tiniest mention of leather. Most of the time I’m looking for an absence of a tick in a table cell. Why can’t models be clearly labelled non-leather?

Also, why can’t I have a nice car? It seems that as soon as you go a model above the base, you get leather. Want a built in Sat Nav? You get leather. Want that sporty body kit? You get leather. Want extra safety features? Here, have some leather.

It seems that no-kills equals no-thrills.
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[PaoloSanchez]

I'm not a big Dawkins fan, but on this subject I think both him and Harris are right. People are finding it harder to argue against veganism because it makes sense on so many levels, which also has the effect of creating more of a resistance from some people who don't want to change, hence the anti vegan backlash.

Agreed, and some of the justifications and arguments against are rather ridiculous and have an air of desperation about them, imo.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

I believe all the cars that I've had or driven over the last 10+ years have had leather steering wheels and leather around the gear knob, without me trying. It appears to be the norm. Ok maybe almost impossible as a slight (and not massive ) overstatement, but it is a lot harder than it should be...

======================================
Buying a car when you’re vegan – Charles Reynolds-Talbot Ⓥ – Medium

Buying a car when you’re vegan
Being vegan is easy. Buying a car when you’re vegan is hard.

Sometimes being vegan is about best endevours — it’s probably impossible to buy a car that is 100% cruelty-free due to the way they’re made. One way I can try and influence the market is by purchasing a car that does not have leather in. This is hard to do. The problem isn’t just upholstery which is easier to avoid, it’s leather steering wheels and gear knobs that come as standard in over 90% of cars on the market.

Buying a car should be enjoyable, but it was needlessly frustrating. I have spent days searching websites and brochures for the tiniest mention of leather. Most of the time I’m looking for an absence of a tick in a table cell. Why can’t models be clearly labelled non-leather?

Also, why can’t I have a nice car? It seems that as soon as you go a model above the base, you get leather. Want a built in Sat Nav? You get leather. Want that sporty body kit? You get leather. Want extra safety features? Here, have some leather.

It seems that no-kills equals no-thrills.
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[beesonthewhatnow]

Being vegan stops you from having nice shoes too.