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Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

Didn't she freak out about having meat in the same house/fridge/cooking utensils etc? What about leather? The vegetarian I was with was Spanish and she was even ok with cooking meat and fish (not too keen on me shooting though and I stopped for the 3 years we were together), but I've always thought a vegan would be a deal breaker for me.

She was fine about people eating meat, wouldn't cook it, tended to stay out of the kitchen when I was cooking, other than that she was totally normal.

Of course, this is going back aver 30 years ago, along before the fascist vegans made an appearance on my radar.
 

No seriously . Like ...if you were vegan ...even if you went to the spankers club and they totally assured you...swore blind..the cuffs, whips, boots , gloves, riding crops , assless chaps , nazi hats, gimp masks and stuff were made out of fake leather ...could you really trust them ? They're flipping sadists when alls said and done . they're bound to get more of a buzz inflicting even worse degradation and humiliation than normal . I reckon they'd lie or something .
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Strikes me as a potential minefield for vegans
 
No seriously . Like ...if you were vegan ...even if you went to the spankers club and they totally assured you...swore blind..the cuffs, whips, boots , gloves, riding crops , assless chaps , nazi hats, gimp masks and stuff were made out of fake leather ...could you really trust them ? They're flipping sadists when alls said and done . they're bound to get more of a buzz inflicting even worse degradation and humiliation than normal . I reckon they'd lie or something .
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Strikes me as a potential minefield for vegans

Tell me more about how weird and unusual vegans are.

I'm getting the impression you just like people telling you that you're a naughty boy who shouldn't have so many sausages.
 
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If anything warrants reverential treatment it's my body - I need it to work for the next (hopefully) 43 years - (my dad is about to make it to 90 - albeit with health problems related to his lifestyle - so I'm aiming for the ton) so I am strongly attracted to things I know are beneficial to it.
That your dad's 89 and still going is good news for your odds in the lottery of longevity, but everyone has health problems at 89, whatever their lifestyle. ;)
 
It won't be awkward at all . All five year olds are all raving ego-maniacs. If he loves meatballs he wouldn't care if they were made out of babies, as long as they were babies he didn't know.

Nah, kids tend to be pretty fond of animals, IME. And city kids, at least, tend to have some degree of disconnect between the meat that they eat and the animals that meat comes from.

It's one of the stronger arguments in favour of veganism, IMO - if little kids knew the truth about what we do to animals, they would be utterly horrified, but somehow things like battery chickens, sow cages, etc. become acceptable to older people.
 
Nah, kids tend to be pretty fond of animals, IME. And city kids, at least, tend to have some degree of disconnect between the meat that they eat and the animals that meat comes from.

It's one of the stronger arguments in favour of veganism, IMO - if little kids knew the truth about what we do to animals, they would be utterly horrified, but somehow things like battery chickens, sow cages, etc. become acceptable to older people.
You must know very different children to the ones I do. Cruelly to animals and stuffing anything in their mouths seem to be fairly basic human behaviour we have to work hard to educate out.
 
I just took some home-made 'melting middle' chocolate muffins to a short-notice picnic amongst a load of other stuff. Person arrives half way through, not someone I know well, points at muffins and asks if they are gluten free and vegan. They then pout and give me the cold shoulder the whole time.
It's not that difficult to to do gluten free vegan and it can sometimes coincidentally be what I make and take as sharing food. Deffo try to do this if I know there's a demand/preference in the crowd. But grumpy loose acquaintance gluten-free vegans just make me want to shout "I'm an omnivore not your mind reading servant" :mad:
 
I just took some home-made 'melting middle' chocolate muffins to a short-notice picnic amongst a load of other stuff. Person arrives half way through, not someone I know well, points at muffins and asks if they are gluten free and vegan. They then pout and give me the cold shoulder the whole time.
It's not that difficult to to do gluten free vegan and it can sometimes coincidentally be what I make and take as sharing food. Deffo try to do this if I know there's a demand/preference in the crowd. But grumpy loose acquaintance gluten-free vegans just make me want to shout "I'm an omnivore not your mind reading servant" :mad:

Most stuff like that seems to be stupidly high in sugar obviously to make up for other things that make it taste good.
 
I just took some home-made 'melting middle' chocolate muffins to a short-notice picnic amongst a load of other stuff. Person arrives half way through, not someone I know well, points at muffins and asks if they are gluten free and vegan. They then pout and give me the cold shoulder the whole time.
It's not that difficult to to do gluten free vegan and it can sometimes coincidentally be what I make and take as sharing food. Deffo try to do this if I know there's a demand/preference in the crowd. But grumpy loose acquaintance gluten-free vegans just make me want to shout "I'm an omnivore not your mind reading servant" :mad:

When they asked you could have replied "No, they're nice" .
 
Where can vegans get their B12 ?



Probably only works if you eat nothing but celery.
 


From I was a little youth I have heard people say
An apple a day keeps the doctor away
Seems like a very good subject to tackle
Medical Monday all about the Apple
Nowadays when you say apple people think Macs
IPhones, IPads and Apple watch
Me a talk real apples Organic unwaxed
Let’s get down to the facts
What inna the Apple making it medical
It's got the vitamins and the mineral
Pectin the fibre soluble
Helpful to lower the bad cholesterol
Antioxidants too as usual
Flavonoids and Polyphenol
Constipation fights inflammation
Weight loss can be beneficial
People cook them and a whole lot more
Personally I prefer them raw
The skin has a lot of good things in for sure
If you’re wary of the seeds you don’t have to eat the core
Some say apples are good for your teeth
Natural toothbrush kinda unique
Some say Apples are bad for your teeth
Acidity, the Fructose them say it too sweet
Counteract that when you eat the Apple little after
Swill your mouth with a little bit of water
Cause the benefits of the Apples are larger
You just need a little bit inna your armour
Apple a day might not keep them away
But nuff fruit and veg with exercise may
 
I just took some home-made 'melting middle' chocolate muffins to a short-notice picnic amongst a load of other stuff. Person arrives half way through, not someone I know well, points at muffins and asks if they are gluten free and vegan. They then pout and give me the cold shoulder the whole time.
You should've stuck them up their arse. That's outrageous.
 
I was, in part, persuaded to go vegan because of the lack of logic and rationality from non-vegans on threads like these. I mean, I was vegetarian already and thought that I probably should go vegan but the utter absence of any even remotely plausible arguments in defence of animal exploitation were, to use a non-vegan metaphor, the straw that broke the camel's back.

I've also been PMed by somebody who told me that they went veggie as a result of reading one of these threads.
I had been mostly vegetarian for 10 years prior to going vegan and I was mostly ignorant of what was behind the milk and diary supply chain. For me it was a couple of books that nailed it for me and put the spotlight on the cruelty behind some of the things we call "food". I have already referred to some of them in a previous post, The Rubbish On Our Plates and Diet For A New America. The John Robbins book in particular nailed it for me, so I suppose that might have been my camel back breaking straw. I found the narrative compelling and but also John Robbins came across as being a man of good morals and integrity, especially for renouncing his inheritance of the Baskin Robbins ice cream wealth. He was an insider who knew exactly what went on behind the scenes in dairy production, a sort of vegan Bradley Manning or Snowden.

Online forums weren't around then, but we did face plenty of real life opposition from people telling us we're nuts etc, ("but you need protein") but never really coming up with any decent arguments against, a bit like this thread, lol. I'm sure that at least a few people have upgraded to veganism as a result of interactions they've had with us, but even if nobody did, I don't think it would change my position. For me the evidence speaks for itself and for an increasing number of people, when they actually get to see the evidence, which still remains mostly hidden, a sizeable number of them find it enough to cause them to at least stop and think. There are of course lost causes, deliberately obstinate hecklers who don't really have any decent arguments have no real interest in the subject at all and run a negative disruptive troublemaking campaign.
 


T-e-a-r that can be tear,
But water from the eye is tear
P-e-a-r that can be pear
But also it can be pear, so it's pear
Before I start one thing I must share
Avocado is also a pear
It's to do with the shape from the front to the rear
You here, this is pear
2 pear is a pair of pear
From nowhere another pair appear
This is pear, a lot of good nutrients are in there
High in fibre one of the Premier
Good regulator as far as I am aware
Tell constipation to get out of here
Lowers bad cholesterol that’s heart care
Vitamins help your body to repair
Pre workout snack helps to prepare
No fat weight loss,music to your ear
Juicy and sweet no excuse there
Give yourself healthy food you have to take care
You’re married to your body it’s not an affair
So treat it good everytime, everywhere
Eat them ripe, eat them with the skin
Cause the skin’s also got the minerals and vitamins
Moderation no greedy eating
Organic without the pesticides in
Serious thing
 
That's all predicted on one big, faulty assumption i.e. that people accept that eating meat is a bad thing. I don't; so no need for cognitive dissonance.
Predicted? Wot like nostradamus or a gypsy with a crystal ball? lol. Of course there are a lot of people that don't accept that eating meat is a bad thing, but increasing numbers of people are at least thinking about it especially when confronted with the brutal realities of the meat egg and dairy industries. A lot of people would rather not know or see what goes on because then they might have to do something about it.
 
Predicted? Wot like nostradamus or a gypsy with a crystal ball? lol. Of course there are a lot of people that don't accept that eating meat is a bad thing, but increasing numbers of people are at least thinking about it especially when confronted with the brutal realities of the meat egg and dairy industries. A lot of people would rather not know or see what goes on because then they might have to do something about it.
I was confronted with the brutal reality of sheep processing at the tender age of 16, which included a spell in the aptly-named Gut Room. This included an incident in which a sheep's stomach full of half-digested grass landed hard enough in front of me to burst its contents all over me. And until secondary school I had been entirely a city kid. I think you overestimate how squeamish the general population is.
 
What he overestimates is how much people actually give a fuck.

Most people know exactly what goes into putting meat on their tables, the processes and suffering involved, and go right ahead and eat it anyway.
 
Got a couple of steaks from the butcher today

I was going to have them tomorrow with sweet potato chips but after reading this thread, maybe I'll give them a good burial and reflect on my life choices
 
Grow the fuck up for fucks sake

And bees you can fuck off with your reeling and cunty with your :D
Proper meathead willy waving and shite going on now, as well as the carnist fragility obvs

E2A Macka B is doing good and it's working
Veganism is on the and you fucks can't stop it
 
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