Nurse, he's getting hysterical again...Grow the fuck up for fucks sake
And bees you can fuck off with your reeling and cunty with your
Proper meathead willy waving and shite going on now, as well as the carnist fragility obvs
Partly that. But I think there is also a part here that conflates horror at industrialised farming processes, and killing processes (I'm glad JR posted about gassing pigs as it made me go away and read up on it), with horror at the idea of killing any animal for food ever. It's clearly not true that day-to-day contact with the death of animals that you know puts tons of people off meat - where it's the social norm and all around you from a young age, the majority grow up socialised that this is the norm and with no problem not only eating meat but killing the animals themselves. I argued earlier that the distance from the process that modern life has engineered if anything produces more distaste and disgust at the idea because, while eating meat may still be the social norm, participating in killing animals isn't.
You have a point, however there is also the question of what we might consider a 'death for no reason'. For Morrissey, it is killing animals for food. For others it might not be that, but killing animals for sport might fall in that category. For others still, killing animals for sport isn't a death for no reason either. I'm in the camp that leans strongly towards the idea that killing animals for the joy of killing them is 'death for no reason'. Perhaps the better way to phrase it would be 'death for no good reason', but that would ruin Morrissey's scanning, as well as weakening his point.
We eat meat because it tastes nice begs the question: why does it taste nice? In our society now, we can live perfectly healthy lives without meat, but humans have certainly evolved gaining advantages from eating meat. So we eat meat because it tastes nice even when we don't have to, but we also eat meat because we have always done so - its biological and cultural roots are deep, so deep that they are intertwined, and we can also live perfectly healthy lives with meat. I think there are coherent ethical arguments against eating meat, but the arguments that make various kinds of appeal to nature are not coherent.
Yes. I said so earlier too - and I don't avoid factory-farmed produce as much as I should. But arguments against factory-farming aren't necessarily arguments against eating meat per se. Now some might argue that free-range chickens also have shit lives and it's also unacceptable, but CIWF have done the sums on it and you could have all free range chicken farming and produce as many chickens as are produced now in the UK within an area smaller than the Isle of Wight. It's perfectly feasible.
There have been some successes. Here in the EU, against veal crates, sow stalls and caged hens. Nowhere near enough to dismantle factory-farming, but enough will need serious system change. But there are stages along the way that can be worked towards. The battle against factory-farming may have fewer obstacles in its way if it doesn't involve getting rid of meat. We've only been factory-farming for a few decades (not that things were idyllic before that), and, setting aside ethics, factory-farming is also very bad for us, producing poor meat and degrading the environment. It is more a return to sanity than a dismantling and rebuilding of a whole culture.
As I said earlier, I am well aware that there are some people (die hards?) who are not put off by death blood and guts, but there are also plenty that are...or at least would be if it wasn't hidden, so I don't believe I'm overestimating or underestimating anything tbh. It is what it is, the majority of meat eaters don't really give a shit and will eat meat anyway because it's the overwhelming norm and it's what people are used to. It is the default position. They may have some vague awareness of what goes on but are not confronted with it and it would appear would rather not know or see any of the goings on. The majority of meat eaters don't care if it's factory farmed or grass-fed, as long as they get what they're used to at a reasonable price and I very much doubt that they'd be prepared to pay the extra "humane slaughter tax". (still sounds like an oxymoron to me)
The industrialised farming process and the killing process are closely coupled and not entirely unrelated. They are two adjacent links on the meat supply chain. It's not as if they have absolutely nothing to do with each other as you appear to be implying.
It's also possible that the disgust at blood and gore is a built in mechanism and the default response of most modern humans that is suppressed by conditioning, distance or obfuscation.
That reasoning appears to me to have more twists and turns than a contortionist and I have no idea how you reached those conclusions, and in fact may have even introduced a few straw-men of your own into the mix. Just because somebody believes that their lifestyle choice is better for them it doesn't mean that they believe they are better than others. This is a frequently used refrain against people looking to improve themselves. "You think you're better than us" and an accusation frequently levelled at vegans even when they have made no such claim.
I think it's a bit like how marketing and advertising works. Some people will buy into it and be persuaded and some won't. A number of those that are exposed to the full range of arguments in favour of veganism will find them persuasive and give it serious consideration. Most probably won't change and will continue with whatever they're doing now. I think the rise in veganism is built on the strong foundation of logic, reason and compassion.
The following video is imo an excellent summary of the cognitive dissonance that allows humans to do or condone bad things while viewing themselves as good people. This not only applies to how meat eaters justify killing animals unnecessarily, but also to other areas of human activity where we kid ourselves that we're not doing really shitty stuff...
Mic the Vegan is one of my favourite vegan youtubers. His videos are informative, well referenced, not too long and I like his content, presentation and humour.
Well it's not the worst thing in the world to be lumbered with.I think I may be doomed to be vegan for ever
Not sure I'd agree with the morality bit. But yeah.
