Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?
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what do you eat?
What do you eat to sustain a running lifestyle?
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
Well today I have a big fruit salad with soy yoghurt, dried fruit and about 3 kinds of seeds for breakfast. Lunch is a salad with 5 kinds of nuts and chickpeas and balsamic. This evening I'm not sure yet but I'm thinking of some sort of lentil curry with spinach and coconut milk maybe and rice. I take supplements because I'm menopausal. And I exercise a lot.
I should also tell you that I'm not vegan, just vegan-ish. I have a weakness for cheese.
I should also tell you that I'm not vegan, just vegan-ish. I have a weakness for cheese.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
My current main meal is my avatar - or at least most of the ingredients are there - I also add some of my home-grown leafy mung sprouts, and tahini.
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AnnaKarpik
Queen of all she surveys
I suspect, based on no evidence whatever just limited experience, that Europeans and North Americans who adopt a vegetarian/vegan diet are trying to replicate their standard omnivorous fare in vegan form and it doesn't necessarily work. Replacing a piece of meat with a piece of pretend meat might be healthier by some measures but pretend meat has been cobbled together by people whose interest is profit rather than health. Same applies to all manufactured "substitute" foods. I doubt that anyone eating loads of processed foods feels particularly healthy.
A transition away from meat/fish/dairy to a healthier diet is much easier once you are used to eating meals that use bits of flesh as decoration.
Do you (or any vegan/plant food enthusiast reading) have any concerns about anti nutrients?
That is one the major drivers behind the carnivore diet.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Trypsin inhibitors - yum - I thrive on undercooked kidney beans 
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I'm 59 years old.
I was brought up in a household where the bread was white and the rest of the food was mostly brown and white in colour - maybe with frozen peas and tinned tomatoes for contrast.
If there were any other veggies they would have been soundly boiled into submission.
We never had salad and even red peppers were "foreign muck".
At 21 I acquired a hippy flatmate who introduced me to veggies and whole grains and I never looked back.
In nearly 40 years, I have never once worried about "anti-nutrients" - apart from oxalates - I still view spinach with suspicion - and rhubarb needs insane amounts of sugar to make it edible.
I was brought up in a household where the bread was white and the rest of the food was mostly brown and white in colour - maybe with frozen peas and tinned tomatoes for contrast.
If there were any other veggies they would have been soundly boiled into submission.
We never had salad and even red peppers were "foreign muck".
At 21 I acquired a hippy flatmate who introduced me to veggies and whole grains and I never looked back.
In nearly 40 years, I have never once worried about "anti-nutrients" - apart from oxalates - I still view spinach with suspicion - and rhubarb needs insane amounts of sugar to make it edible.
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Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
Nope. Never given it much thought. Should i?
philosophical
Well-Known Member
My vegetarian diet is very poor, my fault, but it does mean not deliberately killing animals as far as I know.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Antinutrient maximisation :-
The anaemic sprouts you buy in the supermarket are very nice, and you can eat them when they first sprout, but I like to get some vitamin C with my beans and the fibre doesn't go amiss.
The anaemic sprouts you buy in the supermarket are very nice, and you can eat them when they first sprout, but I like to get some vitamin C with my beans and the fibre doesn't go amiss.
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gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Bloody hell.
I just did a search for "antinutrients" on Youtube and am reminded of my diet revamp in 2015 - with the likes of Weston Price - who looked at archaeology and for some completely inexplicable reason found bones, but not plant residues ...
It just struck me that this is all a bit like creationism - "where are the intermediate fossils ?"
The other parallel - in this case with the "fine tuning" fallacy is when they look at individual plants and say "look at all these poisons !!!! " - whereas they might instead look at humans thriving on plant foods ...
Food Guidelines - Blue Zones
I just did a search for "antinutrients" on Youtube and am reminded of my diet revamp in 2015 - with the likes of Weston Price - who looked at archaeology and for some completely inexplicable reason found bones, but not plant residues ...
It just struck me that this is all a bit like creationism - "where are the intermediate fossils ?"
The other parallel - in this case with the "fine tuning" fallacy is when they look at individual plants and say "look at all these poisons !!!! " - whereas they might instead look at humans thriving on plant foods ...
Food Guidelines - Blue Zones
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How is itr like creationism? Food does contain antinutrients and they do have an effect. The question is to what degree
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
As with us homo sapiens looking back at the red shift of the stars and the snow on our TV sets, we can now choose to look back at how we arrived here and work out what positive things these "antinutrients" may well be bringing us.
Who knows, we MIGHT find a way to beat even the healthy longevity of the inhabitants of the blue zones, but more likely they will try to synthesise the substances for various reasons.
What exactly are you aiming to achieve by eating a diet that hasn't ever promoted long life. ? Is it something to do with the anomalous relative longevity of the Inuit considering their saturated fat consumption ?
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gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
What I'm trying to say in a rather convoluted way, is why are you not starting with the diets of the longest lived / healthiest ageing people on the planet ?
I don't understand how this addresses the issue I raised.
I've already said: i'm not promoting a carnivore diet. I do eat meat much more than veg, but I do eat veg and some seeds (flax, mainly).
What do you mean by long life?
Who are they and what diet is that? Do you have citations?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I think it’s both overly stated and overly simplistic. For starters, some “anti nutrients” are actually
nutrients being preferentially absorbed when in the presence of others, and many of the other substances show positive benefits.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
So you've done all this research and have somehow missed the Blue Zone and the Adventist study ?
I take it you're familiar with Weston-Price, Pritikin et al. ?
I'm not going to pretend I'm even massively interested in the science and I tend to rely on biased vegan-friendly meta-analysts like Michael Greger.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Is this still going on.
The strongest argument anti-vegans (for lack of a better descriptor) have is that humans are omnivores, have evolved over millions of years on a diet which contains meat, and rely on nutrients or whatever that are easily found in meat and not so easily replaced with a wholly plant based diet.
Which is undermined a bit by weirdos and edgelords living off raw liver and trying to make a case that eating plants is bad for you
The strongest argument anti-vegans (for lack of a better descriptor) have is that humans are omnivores, have evolved over millions of years on a diet which contains meat, and rely on nutrients or whatever that are easily found in meat and not so easily replaced with a wholly plant based diet.
Which is undermined a bit by weirdos and edgelords living off raw liver and trying to make a case that eating plants is bad for you
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I have to confess that oily fish definitely nudges into the bottom of my nutritarian list to feed my massive brain with fatty acids into old age - though I will have to catch them myself and plan to make do with ground flaxseed on my morning cereal for the time being - now that I'm starting my working day with muesli (I used to add it to my weekend bread, but have recently developed a taste for non-concrete loaves)
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Never understood why people bother with rhubarb.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I believe the root was used medicinally (and probably ineffectually), presumably then they found they could grow it in Yorkshire and cheap sugar made it edible.
It's not unwelcome in a crumble, but I no longer see sugar as an option.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Yeah I mostly assume it's just easy to grow and with enough sugar anythings edible.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Tesco used to make a smoothie that included rhubarb, but I twice had it explode - once at home it stained the upstairs ceiling and at work it blew the fridge door open one weekend ...
Those were the days when I thought it was OK to get fat so long as it was on fruit juice ... for a while I was spending more on smoothies than my band A council tax.
Those were the days when I thought it was OK to get fat so long as it was on fruit juice ... for a while I was spending more on smoothies than my band A council tax.
Yes there is an argument that antinutrients through positive stress on the body can help.
However they also affect the absorption of other nutrients. Oxalates for example affect calcium. They are found in enormous amounts in Spinach which we are told is a healthy food.
I made no claims to doing any specific amount of research.
I wouldn't trust Greger as far as I could throw him, he's notoriously biased and, fwiw, looks like a ghoul.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
So what is your opinion of the blue zone approach ?
Proper Tidy
Arsed
I don't think thinking about food like this is healthy
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