Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[gentlegreen]

I'll stick with my hefty fibre consumption and almost zero constipation.
That's another thing I would miss - I have never understood why people prefer anaemic grains and flours.

 

[Saul Goodman]

I tell you what, you link me to a decent scientific study that supports your assertion, and we'll start from there.

Wasn't it you who asserted that we shouldn't eat a meat only diet? Maybe it's you who should be providing evidence to back up your assertion?

 

[8ball]

You don't need a study to tell you, you can just look up what's in meat.

Looking and seeing that a food appears to have everything in it is very different to verifying by experiment, as I'm sure you know.

That said, there are plenty of cases of people living only on meat for a year, out of both circumstance and for experimental reasons.

 

[8ball]

Oh, and here's a study from nearly a century ago, which was actually done in order to see what happens to the kidneys and metabolism.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Why would anybody not want to eat some vegetables and fruit and stuff though. What's the point. There's no ethical principle. It's just being a bellend really innit

 

[8ball]

Why would anybody not want to eat some vegetables and fruit and stuff though. What's the point. There's no ethical principle. It's just being a bellend really innit

I read that and missed the initial "not" at first.
Now that I'm reading it right, it makes a little more sense, but not much.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I read that and missed the initial "not" at first.
Now that I'm reading it right, it makes a little more sense, but not much.

What doesn't make sense

 

[8ball]

What doesn't make sense

I can't really see the line of logic from diet->utility->morality->bellendery. They're more like independent sentences.
As for the 'utility' point - in the case of some people on the all-meat diet, it seems to be an extreme form of elimination diet and they get ill with a lot of other foods.

 

[Athos]

Wasn't it you who asserted that we shouldn't eat a meat only diet? Maybe it's you who should be providing evidence to back up your assertion?

No, I don't care what you do!

 

[kebabking]

Why would anybody not want to eat some vegetables and fruit and stuff though. What's the point. There's no ethical principle. It's just being a bellend really innit

This.

A burger with tomato and lettuce tastes better than just a burger, a steak with mushrooms, chips, tomatoes and a bit of salad tastes better than just a steak, a Bolognese with tomatoes, celery, mushrooms and onions tastes better than just fried up mince.

Not eating fruit and vegetables has no ethical or health benefits, it's about having room-clearing, protein laden farts...

 

[Proper Tidy]

I can't really see the line of logic from diet->utility->morality->bellendery. They're more like independent sentences.
As for the 'utility' point - in the case of some people on the all-meat diet, it seems to be an extreme form of elimination diet and they get ill with a lot of other foods.

Nobody really gets ill from eating some veg though, it's bollocks isn't it. Veganism at least has an ethical consistency, people eating raw liver and living a life without a bit of onion to go with it are just weirdos. And yes bellends

 

[8ball]

Nobody really gets ill from eating some veg though, it's bollocks isn't it.

I get something very similar to German measles for about a week if I eat shiitake mushrooms.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I get something very similar to German measles for about a week if I eat shiitake mushrooms.

I hate mushrooms tbf

 

[8ball]

I hate mushrooms tbf

I love mushrooms. Including shiitake mushrooms, though those ones don't love me back.

 

[joustmaster]

Yes. But, that depends in part what you mean by 'need', and how long you live in what state. Obviously, you can get all you 'need' from water, on one understanding.

Thats the most stupid most I've ever read.

 

[fishfinger]

I get something very similar to German measles for about a week if I eat shiitake mushrooms.

They're not veg though...

 

[joustmaster]

I tell you what, you link me to a decent scientific study that supports your assertion, and we'll start from there.

You put forward your claim that for some reason people can't survive on animals. Even if the animals clearly contain all the nutrients a human needs.

You need to show me why.

 

[Athos]

You put forward your claim that for some reason people can't survive on animals. Even if the animals clearly contain all the nutrients a human needs.

You need to show me why.

Lol. I really don't.

 

[8ball]

They're not veg though...

No, technically not, though PT’s original description was “vegetables and fruit and stuff”

People can have similar reactions to vegetables, though.

 

[Athos]

Thats the most stupid most I've ever read.

Irony.

 

[8ball]

Lol. I really don't.

This is rather like speaking to someone who disputes that humans went to the moon, and demands detailed technical data before accepting anything.

 

[fishfinger]

No, technically not, though PT’s original description was “vegetables and fruit and stuff”

People can have similar reactions to vegetables, though.

"and stuff"

 

[Saul Goodman]

Lol. I really don't.

Then you admit you were wrong. Now we can move on.

 

[Athos]

This is rather like speaking to someone who disputes that humans went to the moon, and demands detailed technical data before accepting anything.

Not detailed data just one example of a single human (preferably outside the Inuit) that has lived their whole life on a meat-only diet, which hasn't been shortened by that lifestyle.

 

[Athos]

Then you admit you were wrong. Now we can move on.

Please quote the post of mine which contains an assertion which you think is wrong.

 

[8ball]

Not detailed data just one example of a single human (preferably outside the Inuit) that has lived their whole life on a meat-only diet, which hasn't been shortened by that lifestyle.

How would you determine that someone's life hadn't been shortened by something?

 

[8ball]

"and stuff"

I was basically translating that as "the greengrocer's, or relevant section of supermarket".

 

[rubbershoes]

Not eating fruit and vegetables has no ethical or health benefits, it's about having room-clearing, protein laden farts...

(( Mrs kebabking ))

 

[Athos]

How would you determine that someone's life hadn't been shortened by something?

Admittedly that would be hard for an individual case; so maybe, like I said before, you'd need some wider studies to look into the effects of only eating meat. Because, presently, the nearest we have is the fact that the Inuit (who eat a meat-high, but not meat-only diet) have a shorter life-expectancy; but that data is insufficient to draw a robust conclusion as it doesn't control for other factors.

 

[joustmaster]

This:

Not detailed data just one example of a single human (preferably outside the Inuit) that has lived their whole life on a meat-only diet, which hasn't been shortened by that lifestyle.

From this:

A meat only diet isn't nutritionally complete either.

"I'm wrong and I'm moving these goalposts so I am right"