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Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

You tend to eat nuts in pretty small amounts anyway (well, I do).
Then again, that was the way with meat for a very long time, except for the extremely rich.
 
I barely ever buy it. Rarely buy fresh fish.
Well regardless of whether you buy it or not, I don't believe that even if you were buying fresh fruit and veg that it would be more expensive than a shopping basket that included fresh meat/fish. Which is what that scooby clown is implying.
 
Fresh fruit and veg can be quite difficult for some people in some locations, depending on budget.
Like meat then. Except that's generally a lot more expensive than fruit and veg.

Where is so hard to find, by the way? Even corner shops usually come with cheap fruit and veg?
 
I wonder where this idea that fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds are only available for the wealthy?
Who makes this shit up?

Fruit and veg and pulses are cheap. The myth that always gets me is that fast food is cheap. Think people on benefits can afford a Macdonald's for the whole family? 4 meal deals would work at out at 20 odd quid for one dinner. Very expensive. I'm not veggie by the way, just chiming in on that point. If you are skint, it's pasta, rice, and veg you have access to. It's stuff like that (and admittedly Super Noodles) that provide calories for the truly poor. Lentils if you know how to cook them too, although they aren't the top sellers in the UK that they are here in Spain.
 
Fruit and veg and pulses are cheap. The myth that always gets me is that fast food is cheap. Thing people on benefits can afford a Macdonald's for the whole family? 4 meal deals would work at out at 20 odd quid for one dinner. Very expensive. I'm not veggie by the way, just chiming in on that point. If you are skint, it's pasta, rice, and veg you have access to. It's stuff like that (and admittedly Super Noodles) that provide calories for the truly poor. Lentils if you know how to cook them too, although they aren't the top sellers in the UK that they are here in Spain.
Exactly. It's a bit of nonsense really the whole "middle class privilege" myth. It would appear that some people are desperate to find anything, no matter how ridiculous, to try and make out that it's really hard to be vegan. The hardest thing is putting up with the dickheads talking rubbish.
 
Exactly. It's a bit of nonsense really the whole "middle class privilege" myth. It would appear that some people are desperate to find anything, no matter how ridiculous, to try and make out that it's really hard to be vegan. The hardest thing is putting up with the dickheads talking rubbish.

I'd find it hard because of being older now, set in my ways, cravings for shite and so on. I think it would make a massive difference if you were half-decent at cooking too in terms of variety. I'm not saying I'm right though. Those caveats might be easily-dispelled clichés that I've fallen for.
 
Exactly. It's a bit of nonsense really the whole "middle class privilege" myth. It would appear that some people are desperate to find anything, no matter how ridiculous, to try and make out that it's really hard to be vegan. The hardest thing is putting up with the dickheads talking rubbish.

This would be your answer to "Fresh fruit and veg can be quite difficult for some people in some locations, depending on budget."

Really.
 
I'd find it hard because of being older now, set in my ways, cravings for shite and so on. I think it would make a massive difference if you were half-decent at cooking too in terms of variety. I'm not saying I'm right though. Those caveats might be easily-dispelled clichés that I've fallen for.
Yes it can be a bit of a challenge changing well established habits. I don't have any easy answers for that. Anybody that is motivated enough will find a way to change whatever they want to change, and those that are happy doing whatever they are doing now and don't want to change will stick with that they're doing now.

I think that's Flemings right hand rule or something... :hmm:
 
This would be your answer to "Fresh fruit and veg can be quite difficult for some people in some locations, depending on budget."

Really.
No that's your conjured up strawman.

Fresh fruit and vegetables are no more expensive than fresh meat/fish. So being vegan is no more expensive than being a meat eater.
Anybody finding it hard to find fresh fruit and veg would also find it hard to fresh meat products.
You can eat relatively well on a budget even without fresh produce.
 
No that's your conjured up strawman.

Fresh fruit and vegetables are no more expensive than fresh meat/fish. So being vegan is no more expensive than being a meat eater.
Anybody finding it hard to find fresh fruit and veg would also find it hard to fresh meat products.
You can eat relatively well on a budget even without fresh produce.

On another note entirely, would you say the attitudes of vegans on this thread generally are broadly representative of vegans generally?

You can find examples of all manner of things being expressed if you Google for them, but it's difficult to get an overall feel for the general thrust of things.
 
feel free to tell your cunt of a mate, butchers, that the community in Bristol don't want nothing to do with him, they know who he is and they don't want bullies in their community.
It seems that the warning I've just given you for this personal attack has just triggered an automatic temporary ban. What a shame.
 
Oh, hang on:

Recently however, he has taken advantage of the service offered by grocery company Fresh Range that launched in Bristol just last year. It sources fruit, veg, meat and fish from local producers and farmers, cutting out the middleman to offer lower prices: in order to make its food as accessible as possible to people on limited incomes, founder Rich Osborn has chosen to take the uncommercial step of charging a pound to make a doorstep drop on a minimum £20 spend. This means Isaacson can now buy fresher produce than much of what’s on offer elsewhere.

But come on: the vast majority of people in the UK have no particular problem finding places that sell fruit and veg. Whether they choose to buy that or prefer to gorge on some shitty meaty fast food is up to them of course.
 
It's a bit of nonsense really the whole "middle class privilege" myth.

Class privilege is very much not a myth. How it relates diet and dietary choice is arguable, but that particular privilege (set of privileges) is very real and does have its effects in countless visible and invisible ways. Denying it makes you look silly at best. Stick to the youtube veggie polemics, and leave off the class analysis, you have no idea what you're on about.
 
On another note entirely, would you say the attitudes of vegans on this thread generally are broadly representative of vegans generally?

You can find examples of all manner of things being expressed if you Google for them, but it's difficult to get an overall feel for the general thrust of things.
wow, bit of a segway there...

To find out what vegans are like, you'll have meet them irl. What you'll probably discover is that they are just like any other group of people, good, bad, happy, sad, funny, serious, excitable, placid, big dicks, small dicks, good drivers, bad drivers, labour, cuntservatives...a veritable banquet of bassets all sorts.

Of course there are some people who are triggered by the very idea of veganism hence the many knee-jerk reactions in this thread, and the persistent and increasingly desperate attempts to try and rubbish vegans, which quickly gets a bit boring. This thread isn't really representative of anything important, but it does give an insight into the sort of flak and nonsense that vegans have to put up with. I have no problem having discussions with valid criticisms and observations, but when it descends into petty quibbling over terminology and semantics, cba with that shit for too long.
 
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