Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[mojo pixy]

You seem to care enough to make utterly facetious arguments about the definition of milk. It doesn't matter that much no, because whatever lobbying strategies the violent animal-abusers of the dairy industry use to protect the brand-identity of stolen baby calve growth fluid they sell, they will never be able to stop people calling plant-based milk 'milk'.

In my world, facetious - don't care. YMMV.
Some vegans do seem greatly invested in the word 'milk' though, and I'm not sure I understand why.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

I've never had gm soya and provamel or alpro, the biggest and most widely available brands aren't
so that's your gotcha point stumped

again, most things that are frown with a lot of water are used to feed cattle that will be slaughtered for your plate
and you think the dairy industry is efficient and not energy/resource intensive??

It really wasn't meant to be a gotcha post. I'd don't know if you've noticed, but that's not how I've contributed to the thread generally. I find some of it interesting as more broadly I'm interested in food and also sustainability and health. Which eating less/no meat can play a part in.

I was expressing that its a pity that the most environmentaly friendly option doesn't taste great.

Actually the dairy cattle one is another intresting point. Even if people are trying to avoid GM it doesn't mean that the animals they eat havnt been fed on it.

 

[8ball]

Almonds use a shed load of water to grow, which is far from ideal

Which things are efficient on water? How about cashews (I was going to try cashew milk next)?

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Which things are efficient on water? How about cashews (I was going to try cashew milk next)?

Stuff produced in the UK is the best, but of course that's hard.

This article suggests coconut, but no mention of hemp and we've got zero chancen of findings locally sourced almonds.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.wideopeneats.com/what-is-the-most-sustainable-milk-out-there/amp/

 

[8ball]

Interesting that they've listed sheep milk.

And that they haven't listed dog's milk...

 

[editor]

Plus it's not even all vegans or all veggies who use the stuff - I know meat eaters who use it.

That's because some people actually prefer the taste.

 

[Epona]

I'm not vegan, or even vegetarian these days (although I was vegetarian for 20 years), and most of the rage I see is from people pushing vegetarians about why they don't eat meat, it's very rarely the other way around. Except my husband, he is pescetarian (veggie + fish) and he's a complete pain in the arse about it

 

[8ball]

I'm not vegan, or even vegetarian these days (although I was vegetarian for 20 years), and most of the rage I see is from people pushing vegetarians about why they don't eat meat, it's very rarely the other way around. Except my husband, he is pescetarian (veggie + fish) and he's a complete pain in the arse about it

What, he gets angry about eating fish? Or whether he shouldn't eat fish? Or whether other people shouldn't eat rabbits?

 

[Epona]

What, he gets angry about eating fish? Or whether he shouldn't eat fish? Or whether other people shouldn't eat rabbits?

No, it's silly (IMO) -he eats fish, but doesn't eat other meat. He gets upset about me eating animal flesh from things that don't have gills (or somehow live in the sea).

 

[8ball]

That's because some people actually prefer the taste.

Well, obviously (plus maybe a few lactose-intolerant types), but the 'confused' smiley was in the context of the post as a whole (ie. what's the issue with calling it 'milk'?).
Almond milk is certainly nice, though.

Cashew milk is next on the list to try.

 

[ddraig]

won't someone think of the poor farmers
counter terrorism police ffs

and no i'm not condoning before anyone starts

The National Pig Association claims its members "cannot sleep at night" because Save Movement members have allegedly turned up at farms and slaughterhouses at night.

The Association of Independent Meat Suppliers has met with the official National Counter Terrorism Police Operations Centre team to discuss how to respond to the movement.

Alison says she objects to the suggestion that farmers exploit their animals. "It's crushing when you take as much pride in your animals as we do.

"I don't think they can understand, or differentiate between the fact that different animals have different purposes. We have these companion animals and we have our livestock and there is a line drawn there."

'Vegans call me murderer and rapist'

 

[editor]

won't someone think of the poor farmers
counter terrorism police ffs

and no i'm not condoning before anyone starts

'Vegans call me murderer and rapist'

"Alison says she objects to the suggestion that farmers exploit their animals."

I'm pretty sure that's what the entire industry is based on.

 

[ddraig]

yes, truth hurts

don't know if we've had this on this thread
'Vegans have got the British farming industry rattled’

 

[8ball]

But not condoning it.
Obviously.

 

[NoXion]

won't someone think of the poor farmers
counter terrorism police ffs

and no i'm not condoning before anyone starts

'Vegans call me murderer and rapist'

It's an entirely logical extension of the kind of worldview behind ethical veganism. Unless you're a pacifist of some kind, why would you have a problem with activists putting the fear into those carrying out wrongdoing as you call it?

 

[8ball]

It's an entirely logical extension of the kind of worldview behind ethical veganism. Unless you're a pacifist of some kind, why would you have a problem with activists putting the fear into those carrying out wrongdoing as you call it?

I'd agree, but I'm not sure it's really an extension to a certain worldview.
Vegans aren't a monolithic group though, there are lots of strands there.

 

[NoXion]

I'd agree, but I'm not sure it's really an extension to a certain worldview.
Vegans aren't a monolithic group though, there are lots of strands there.

Not much room for grey areas when it comes to murder and slavery though, is there?

 

[8ball]

Not much room for grey areas when it comes to murder and slavery though, is there?

Well, no.
The Jackfruit Jihadi Front aren't the whole story, though, and if veganism keeps up the current momentum* I don't think they'll be on the winning side of the coming civil war as it goes mainstream.

* - which is far from a foregone conclusion, obviously

 

[Jeff Robinson]

won't someone think of the poor farmers
counter terrorism police ffs

and no i'm not condoning before anyone starts

'Vegans call me murderer and rapist'

Labelling non-violent animal rights activists as 'terrorists' is an old strategy for the animal exploitation industries and their political puppets. In the US they have been very successful and even got a federal law passed - the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act - which classifies activists who liberate animals from their tormentors as 'terrorists'. Dunno if they'll push in a similar way in the UK but they're fighting a losing battle now. People won't be duped into believing that the people protesting outside slaughterhouses are the violent extremists.

 

[gentlegreen]

*voms*

 

[PaoloSanchez]

cos its a trait of every vegan I've ever come across, and my main problem with them.

loooool, wow, just wow. I'm calling bs on this one. It's in the same category as... "women drivers are crap", "Scottish are tight", "Muslims are terrorists", "black men have big dicks", "Irish people are thick", "Welsh men shag sheep", "bmw drivers are shit"...<<Insert any other lazy stereotyped generalisation here>>

I'm not a fb user, it's not really my thing tbh, but I am aware that lots of people share all sorts of stuff on fb and twitter. Some people post whatever interests them and if they spam stuff that you're not interested in or irritates you or find annoying simply activate the off switch. It's not a trait that is unique to vegans and you can easily avoid reading things from people who you disagree with if it bothers you that much. (or you can moan about it on another forum ) It seems that some people get annoyed with vegans because they are unable to come up with rational counter arguments to the main points that vegans make, so they go for the "low blows" and attack their character and made up intangibles... "self righteous", "smug", "preachy" and other bollocks accusations.

This dude that I referenced earlier summed this up quite nicely...

The distastefulness of vegans – 51:28

 

[8ball]

So was it mycoprotein, then?

 

[PaoloSanchez]

I'm not vegan, or even vegetarian these days (although I was vegetarian for 20 years), and most of the rage I see is from people pushing vegetarians about why they don't eat meat, it's very rarely the other way around.

Funnily enough, this has been my experience too. If there is any hectoring to be had it usually comes from the very people accusing vegans of hectoring. One thing you won't see is vegans camped in burger threads dicking around and making a nuisance of themselves.

 

[8ball]

Funnily enough, this has been my experience too. If there is any hectoring to be had it usually comes from the very people accusing vegans of hectoring. One think you won't see is vegans camped in burger threads dicking around and making a nuisance of themselves.

Yeah, bloody chavs!

Oh, hang on...

 

[ddraig]

Vegan debate proves hot NFU election topic - Farmers Weekly
the poor farmers, again

Failure to win the argument would risk “losing a whole generation,” he added.

"Positive message
West Midlands dairy farmer Michael Oakes, who is also standing for the NFU deputy and vice-president roles, said a positive message would help counter vegan arguments.

It is important the whole supply chain target people who were considering whether they should stop eating meat or give up dairy products altogether, suggested Mr Oakes.

Failure to win the argument would risk “losing a whole generation,” he added.

Somerset farmer James Small, who is standing for the post of NFU vice-president, said it was important to challenge vegans on the facts rather than fanning the flames.

Although there had been a lot of media coverage, it was important to recognise that vegans were relatively few in number, Mr Small told NFU members.

“We have to be careful how we handle this as a farming sector,” he said. “I don’t think we should be responding like for like.”

But Mr Small said it was important to challenge incorrect information.

“When something is demonstrably, absolutely categorically wrong, then we do need to challenge that. But other than that, we would simply be adding fuel to the fire.” "

 

[ddraig]

Yeah, bloody chavs!

Oh, hang on...

eh??

 

[8ball]

Cashew milk review: v v similar to the almond milk. Maybe a teeny bit less nutty and a teeny bit more creamy...

Not 100% sure I could tell them apart in a blind taste test.

Edit: actually I can tell them apart pretty easily in a blind taste test

 

[editor]

Like workers from a zillion other jobs and industries, the dairy business has to learn to adapt to changing tastes and practices and find new markets. Whining about vegans and dreaming up daft anti-vegan arguments isn't going to help them.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Like workers from a zillion other jobs and industries, the dairy business has to learn to adapt to changing tastes and practices and find new markets. Whining about vegans and dreaming up daft anti-vegan arguments isn't going to help them.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[8ball]

Like workers from a zillion other jobs and industries, the dairy business has to learn to adapt to changing tastes and practices and find new markets. Whining about vegans and dreaming up daft anti-vegan arguments isn't going to help them.

Are you talking about the NFU guy?