Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[OzT]

Those are the ones, dough sticks! Was in the early 80s I was there, and often big bowl of rice gruel, I think it was pronounced something like jook, and the dough sticks. I'm sure the Cantonese words for it was something like skeleton bones

 

[Mordi]

Bit of fermented tofu in your rice gruel is all you need anyway

Can I ask what you're making with it?

I'll stick it in soups but otherwise find it so intense that I'm worried about adding it to other things. It is super delicious though.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

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[JimW]

Can I ask what you're making with it?

I'll stick it in soups but otherwise find it so intense that I'm worried about adding it to other things. It is super delicious though.

I'm manfully buying it in a jar from the shop in the village

I think you can make your own but you need to be a bit more of a cook than me.

ETA Just looked up a recipe and it actually sounds fairly straightforward, cut the doufu into small chunks, cook it for 15 minutes then put it to ferment on tissue paper somewhere warm and dark for a few days then add your marinade which you cook to taste. 自制豆腐乳的做法_自制豆腐乳怎么做_自制豆腐乳的家常做法【心食谱】

 

[mojo pixy]

Fermented Tofu, just like Smoked Tofu, is fucking delicious.

Almond 'milk' is the best of the milk substitutes IMO. Soya is grainy and tart, even with sugar and vanilla added. Rice and oat 'milk' are basically water with a bit of whiteness in, pointless. Hazelnut 'milk' is OK in cooking, but IMO too bitter on its own. Almond 'milk' is baby-bear just right, sweet, smooth and just about thick enough to work as a milk substitute in any context. And then there's coconut milk/juice, which is lovely, but expensive and still full of saturated fats. I think there's also cashew 'milk' but I've never had it and though it'd probably be delicious I imagine it would be expensive and also pretty saturated.

Brain fart over, as y'were,

 

[8ball]

Alpro do cashew milk for the same price as the almond stuff (it was last night in Sainsbury's anyway). Thought it was odd that they were called "almond drink" and "cashew drink" and avoided all references to milk/dairy.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

The Italian situation was a response to some seriously malnourished children (a case of ‘doing it wrong’ you might say, if you were inclined to believe such things were possible), so a kneejerk proposal by a single politician, and the French case involved opt-outs where suitable substitutions are available, and seems largely concerned with practical matters.

None of these links serve very well in terms of direct evidence for a belief that meat specifically being essential to nutrition.

In response to your assertion that NOBODY says meat is essential, it is clear that there are some who do say that, hence the push for legislation. I have had a fair number of encounters with family, friends, colleagues and acquaintances who believe that, so I don't think it's at all far fetched to state that there are people out there who believe that meat is an essential part of ones diet. It is amongst the "Four N's of justification" used by meat eaters, in particular the "Necessary - N" which I am reliably informed just happens to be a synonym of "essential".

And in the case of relating this to that particular school in England with the pigs it’s less relevant still.

We'll just have to disagree on this. I believe it to be relevant because there are a fair number of folk who sincerely believe that meat is necessary for good health, and if that's the case including animal husbandry in the curriculum even if it's just an option would be reasonable imo.

And on the secondary point of slaughter needing to be covered in schools on the subject of where food comes from, I’m not sure how much room would be left in a crowded curriculum after you had also covered the sourcing, and planting of seeds, crop rotation, hulling and processing of grain, logistics and import concerns and the workings of wholesale markets.

I'm sure room could be found to cover important aspects of our food supply chain, and slaughtering is quite an important big ticket item imo, so yeah find a way to squeeze it in. (ooh er missus). It's not as if there's anything to hide, right?

 

[gentlegreen]

 

[gosub]

This Shit Vegans Are Tired Of Hearing - TAPEPARADE: just appeared from my mate who has chocked up my facebook feed all month banging on about veganism....Doesn't cover THE question WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BANG ON ABOUT IT THE ENTIRE TIME? Yes, you've made a personal lifestyle choice based on your moral outlook...but then so have the god squad lot and even they know better than to talk to you about Jesus every fucking day.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

This Shit Vegans Are Tired Of Hearing - TAPEPARADE: just appeared from my mate who has chocked up my facebook feed all month banging on about veganism....Doesn't cover THE question WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BANG ON ABOUT IT THE ENTIRE TIME? Yes, you've made a personal lifestyle choice based on your moral outlook...but then so have the god squad lot and even they know better than to talk to you about Jesus every fucking day.

Dude, what is your point? Surely if you have an issue with your mate spamming/over sharing on fb, then either take it up with him/her or block them rather than moaning to us about it.


As for the link to the blog post, there were some reasonably good points in it, especially the one about the rescue dogs. You probably should have given it a like.

 

[gosub]

Dude, what is your point? Surely if you have an issue with your mate spamming/over sharing on fb, then either take it up with him/her or block them rather than moaning to us about it.


As for the link to the blog post, there were some reasonably good points in it, especially the one about the rescue dogs. You probably should have given it a like.

cos its a trait of every vegan I've ever come across, and my main problem with them.

 

[Opera Buffa]

Alpro do cashew milk for the same price as the almond stuff (it was last night in Sainsbury's anyway). Thought it was odd that they were called "almond drink" and "cashew drink" and avoided all references to milk/dairy.

That's because of angry non-vegans, who violently object to it being called 'milk'. They had the same problem with vegan mayo.

They'll go after coconut milk next.

 

[mojo pixy]

That's because of angry non-vegans, who violently object to it being called 'milk'. They had the same problem with vegan mayo.

They'll go after coconut milk next.

Maybe, though coconut milk is actually a thing, in contrast to coconut juice. It's called 'milk' when juice is mixed with extra coconut to thicken it up.

 

[Opera Buffa]

MILK ONLY COMES FROM COWS RRRRAAAAHHHH!!!!

 

[mojo pixy]

Well, 'milk' is a thing, a mammalian secretion. Do soy beans have nipples?

 

[Opera Buffa]

It's thick white fluid you can call it milk without having a fucking heart attack

I do think the opposition to calling it milk comes from people unaccountably very angry about veganism.

 

[Opera Buffa]

Ditto vegan mayo.

 

[Opera Buffa]

Coconut milk, almond milk, soy milk. There's no inconsistency here.

 

[Opera Buffa]

Do soy beans have nipples?

Also, Rule 34 I expect.

 

[Sue]

Turns out there's quite a lot of vegan/veggie pubs in places like Oxford, Glasgow, Southend, Birmingham and elsewhere:

The UK's Top 10 Vegan-Friendly Pubs

Glasgow is great for vegan food and not just in veggie/vegan places either.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

It's thick white fluid you can call it milk without having a fucking heart attack

I do think the opposition to calling it milk comes from people unaccountably very angry about veganism.

Yeah, it comes from the dairy/kidnapping/forced pregnancy/abuse industry lobbying governments and the EU. In the US there is a bill going through congress called ‘the dairy pride act’ or to use its full title “Defending Against Imitations and Replacements of Yogurt, Milk, and Cheese To Promote Regular Intake of Dairy Everyday Act”.

 

[Opera Buffa]

Oh yeah, lobbying from the dairy industry, definitely. Something like soy milk is a cheaper, healthier, more environmentally friendly version of their product, so they are trying to suppress it. It's no different from how the US sugar industry lobbied (successfully) against Stevia to get it banned as dangerous or some such bollocks. It was never dangerous, it was just a threat to their profit margin.

 

[editor]

cos its a trait of every vegan I've ever come across, and my main problem with them.

Every single one, eh? How many is that?

 

[mojo pixy]

It's thick white fluid you can call it milk without having a fucking heart attack

oh look, brush milk...

I do think the opposition to calling it milk comes from people unaccountably very angry about veganism.

Nah, I think it's from vegans who object to having to still buy something called 'milk' .. and we'll never know, but it occurs to me that companies don't generally change policies based on what non-customers say.

 

[Opera Buffa]

Nah, I think it's from vegans who object to having to still buy something called 'milk'

No it categorically isn't this. It's pressure from lobbyists and politicians. See how vegan mayonnaise has started to be called 'vegannaise' or some such wank.


Dairy names for soya and tofu face new ban

 

[editor]

oh look, brush milk...

Nah, I think it's from vegans who object to having to still buy something called 'milk' .. and we'll never know, but it occurs to me that companies don't generally change policies based on what non-customers say.

That's clearly paint. What a weird point to make.

 

[Opera Buffa]

The companies want to call their vegan products 'milk', 'cheese', 'mayonnaise' or whatever because they are trying to market vegan alternatives to these products. It's the companies who sell the original dairy versions of these things who are objecting because they don't want the competition.


Here's a German politician/lunatic on a similar meltdown:

German minister calls for ban on 'confusing' vegetarian sausages

 

[Opera Buffa]

He told German newspaper Bild: "These terms are completely misleading and unsettle consumers."

No they aren't; even a 90-year-old understands what a vegetarian schnitzel is and they don't find it in some way frightening. Some reactionary people just get very angry about vegans and veganism.

 

[gentlegreen]

There was fuss many years ago about Fry's Chocolate Cream - there was talk of rebranding to "Creme" - or that could just be my Tory dad bullshitting about the EU the way he would about nationalised rail losing whole wagons of chocolate up sidings ...

 

[gosub]

Every single one, eh? How many is that?

At least 7 over the years. If you're trying to pretend it isn't a thing.. Take it up with the Guardian who ran a column on it just last Friday Why vegans always have to tell you they’re vegan | Rebecca Jones