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Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

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I went vegan for 60 days - and it changed my life

"I hate vegans,” said my friend Simon over Sunday lunch on the first weekend. “I don’t mind vegetarians but I just don’t like vegans. What’s wrong with milk, anyway?” His response wasn't unusual: the most startling effect of my diet during the entire 60 days was just how upset meat eaters were by my vegan existence – and how vocal they were about it.
(sounds familiar)
 
Milk is the main reason I'd consider going Vegan, its fucking horrific the things they do to some cows.

Sadly I am also addicted to Cheese in all its forms so even I don't eat much meat I must remain with the dairy.
 
Milk is the main reason I'd consider going Vegan, its fucking horrific the things they do to some cows.

I’m afraid you’re in the vegan area - post titles can be deceiving. :)

There is apparently a good vegan blue cheese mentioned earlier in the thread. Not had it myself.
 
Milk is the main reason I'd consider going Vegan, its fucking horrific the things they do to some cows.
Both dairy and beef cows also get a bit of a raw deal...
An excerpt from this excellent book...

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THE SLAUGHTERHOUSE

When you picture grass-fed beef, you probably envision an idyllic scene of a cow outside in a pasture munching happily on grass. That is certainly the image those endorsing and selling these products would like you to hold. And there is some truth to it.

But it is only a part of the story. There is something missing from such a pleasant picture—something that nevertheless remains an ineluctable part of the actual reality. Grass-fed beef does not just come to you straight from God's green Earth. It also comes to you via the slaughterhouse.

The lives of grass-fed livestock are more humane and natural than the lives of animals confined in factory farms and feedlots, but their deaths are often just as terrifying and cruel. If they are taken to a conventional slaughterhouse, as indeed most of them are, they are just as likely as feedlot animals to be skinned while alive and fully conscious, and just as apt to be butchered and have their feet cut off while they are still breathing—distressing realities that tragically occur every hour in meat-packing plants nationwide. Confronting the brutal realities of modern slaughterhouses can be a harsh reminder that those who contemplate only the pastoral image of cattle patiently foraging do not see the whole picture.


No Happy Cows: Dispatches from the Frontlines of the Food Revolution: Amazon.co.uk: John Robbins: 9781573245753: Books



Sadly I am also addicted to Cheese in all its forms so even I don't eat much meat I must remain with the dairy.
Well perhaps one day you might find a way to overcome your addiction. I used to eat cheese, and vegetarians probably have even more cheese and dairy than meat eaters in an attempt to compensate for the fabled "lack of protein". I don't miss it at all now and had no issues stopping the dairy, so I guess I wasn't addicted.
 
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Yeah, fuck that. I honestly don't find food properly filling unless it has animal some kind of animal fat in it. I went to a vegan food fair once and I got hungry again a mere two hours later.
 
Yeah, fuck that. I honestly don't find food properly filling unless it has animal some kind of animal fat in it. I went to a vegan food fair once and I got hungry again a mere two hours later.

Might be a protein thing rather than a fat thing. I had some cashew cheese and while the vegans I know all recognise it’s not really like cheese, it’s nice and it does fill you up quite well. Fairly high in both protein and healthy fat.

Lots of calories, I believe, but that’s the way with lots of things that fill you up.
 
Yeah. I think saturated fat (from any source) has received an unnecessarily bad rap.

Maybe - from what I’ve read recently the jury was out on this and now they’ve come back in again.

There’s also a lot of disagreement over whether coconut oil is better than any other saturated fat.
 
Maybe - from what I’ve read recently the jury was out on this and now they’ve come back in again.

There’s also a lot of disagreement over whether coconut oil is better than any other saturated fat.

I don't think it's a coincidence that obesity has become a serious problem since the demonisation of fats in the 1960s (which is (not-so-)coincidentally the last period in which most people smoked tobacco like chimneys), especially since then food companies have been replacing fat with sugar, which is both cheap and tasty.
 
I don't think it's a coincidence that obesity has become a serious problem since the demonisation of fats in the 1960s (which is (not-so-)coincidentally the last period in which most people smoked tobacco like chimneys), especially since then food companies have been replacing fat with sugar, which is both cheap and tasty.

No argument there. Though there are more low-fat things about now which haven’t replaced the fat with sugar. Cottage cheese is a notable example (in some cases).
 
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Milk is the main reason I'd consider going Vegan, its fucking horrific the things they do to some cows.

Sadly I am also addicted to Cheese in all its forms so even I don't eat much meat I must remain with the dairy.
I switched to soya milk years ago and it's pretty hard to tel the difference with even some of the cheaper supermarket soyas. I've often served up tea for visitors/workmen who were really surprised when I told them that they'd just had a tea with soya milk. The switch also helped clear up my eczema considerably with was a bonus.
 
I switched to soya milk years ago and it's pretty hard to tel the difference with even some of the cheaper supermarket soyas. I've often served up tea for visitors/workmen who were really surprised when I told them that they'd just had a tea with soya milk. The switch also helped clear up my eczema considerably with was a bonus.

I might give it another go, the main reason I didn't mind starting up again was because substitute milk is shite with coffee and due to health reasons thats no longer on my menu.
 
I might give it another go, the main reason I didn't mind starting up again was because substitute milk is shite with coffee and due to health reasons thats no longer on my menu.
Soya used to be terrible in coffee and often go lumpy but that's no longer the case unless you get really crap soya. I much prefer the taste of soya on cereals now too.
 
I had some almond milk in tea at a friend's house (she's just embarked on Veganuary) - wasn't expecting to like 'slightly nutty' tea, but it was really nice. I thought it was the tea giving the different taste (more ‘Assammy’ than Assam iyswim).

Rice milk on the other hand... that was horrible, but I tried it neat so maybe not a fair test.
 
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I've never really been a tea or coffee drinker so my milk and dairy consumption back in the day would mainly have been through milk on my cereal, cakes and biscuits and cheese related food. I never enjoyed cows milk "neat" anyway even before I stopped with the animal foods, but I was told that it was good for me so I'd have Nesquik which made it a bit more palatable.

My wife drinks several cups of tea a day and her preferred "milk" is one particular brand of oat milk, however if that's not available she will have other brands or have almond or soya milks. I don't remember rice milk really being on the agenda.
 
Even though Morgan is a bit of a dick (no surprises there), I think some interesting points were raised in this "discussion".


...unfortunately it became more of a shouting match than a discussion.

tl;dr
  • Schools raises pigs and fattens them up for slaughter
  • One of the parents who happens to be a vegan objects to this and asks for the pigs to be sent to a sanctuary instead of being slaughtered.
  • The headmaster says that vegans are in a minority the school will carry on with its pig fattening tradition.
  • Earthling Ed got involved and started a petition to save the pigs which got 37,000 signatures.
  • School decides to give pigs back to original owners
I'm not sure how I feel about this story. I admire the parent for speaking out and raising concerns, however the adverse publicity associated with the "death threats" sent to the school staff is a bit unsavoury.

School faces backlash after students raise pigs to send to slaughter
School where pigs were reared and sent for slaughter inundated with 'abuse'
 
Hmmm, it does teach them where the food comes from, which makes me wonder whether what the school did over the years might have led to more kids becoming veg*n. There was a reference to the kids becoming quite attached to them.

It seems a bit spiteful to send them back to the farmer (and on to C&S Meats), rather than to the sanctuary that had offered to take them, and which was asked for in the petition.
 
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Hmmm, it does teach them where the food comes from, which makes me wonder whether what the school did over the years might have led to more kids becoming veg*n. There was a reference to the kids becoming quite attached to them.
Well imo there's a few pieces missing from this story. I'm wondering how complete the "where the food comes from" education is if the slaughtering and butchering bits are left out. Perhaps the piggies go into a magic box and come out ready made sausages like in that old Brazillian prank...



It seems a bit spiteful to send them back to the farmer (and on to C&S Meats), rather than to the sanctuary that had offered to take them, and which was asked for in the petition.
It's possible that the headmaster didn't want to be seen to be caving in to "militant vegan" pressure, "they're going to become sausages whether you like it or not". Up middle finger I show them. NO NO NO Santuary!!!
 
It's possible that the headmaster didn't want to be seen to be caving in to "militant vegan" pressure, "they're going to become sausages whether you like it or not". Up middle finger I tell them oxide and neutrino stylee.

I don’t see how that didn’t cause as big a fuss as the original story. It’s not like the school could use the excuse of being out of pocket as I’d think a whip-roung for the original price of the piglets would sort that pretty quickly.

It reads like it was only the pigs, of all the animals, that were sent for slaughter too, which seems slightly odd.
 
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but but but, everyone knows don't they?!?! :eek: , even small children!! :hmm: , almost everyone knows where their meat comes from and don't care!?! (apart from those who claim to know the farmer and what a nice life the pig had before getting to their plate)
we've had proof of the fact that almost all people know where their meat comes from on this very thread a few times and quite recently too
 
but but but, everyone knows don't they?!?! :eek: , even small children!! :hmm: , almost everyone knows where their meat comes from and don't care!?! (apart from those who claim to know the farmer and what a nice life the pig had before getting to their plate)
we've had proof of the fact that almost all people know where their meat comes from on this very thread a few times and quite recently too
I think the difference is in "knowing" that the sausages and t-bones were once little piggies and cows, and actually experiencing the process of turning those cute piggies and cows into sausages and burgers. I'd wager that a fair percentage of folks who would consider themselves to be reasonable compassionate will not want to see the inner workings of an abattoir, even among those parents at that school that are ok with the idea of fattening up the pigs for slaughter. I'm not sure that they'll be overly keen on their children having a front row seat in a slaughter viewing gallery. I could be wrong though.
 
I cut out dairy loads but have to work around my fussy son.

But Angry Vegans stop me publicly agreeing with their stuff :)
Soya used to be terrible in coffee and often go lumpy but that's no longer the case unless you get really crap soya. I much prefer the taste of soya on cereals now too.
Oh milk always tastes off to me now!
 
*fussy son more of an issue with meat. Hard to get him to eat any alternatives to the point he started getting pale and had greeny boogers. Had to relent. I know other staunch veggies who had kids like that. Veggies who haven't don't believe you tried everything :)
 
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